Confirmation that Certificate Number Given by State Registrar’s Office

The source for this post has withdrawn permission for me to post it.

An identical response was received by another person who has given me permission to post it.:

From: Okubo, Janice S. [mailto:janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov]
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 2:46 PM
To: (redacted)
Cc: oip@hawaii.gov
Subject: RE: UIPA request

 Aloha Mr. (redacted),

 It has been brought to my attention that although the department does not have any records responsive to your UIPA records request, a further explanation may be helpful. 

 Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of Oahu or on the neighbor islands of Kauai, Hawaii, Maui, Molokai, or Lanai), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of Oahu) respectively.

 Historically, most often the “date accepted” and the “date filed” is the same date as the majority of births occur on Oahu (the island with the largest population in our state).  In the past, when births were recorded on paper they may have been accepted at a health office on a island other than Oahu, such as Kauai.  The paper record would then need to be sent to Oahu to have a file number placed on it, and the filed date would then be sometime later (as you know, the state of Hawaii is comprised of multiple islands with miles of water in between).  The electronic age has changed this process significantly, and it was determined some time ago that one date would suffice.

Janice Okubo
Hawaii State Department of Health


From: (redacted)
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 6:25 PM
To: Okubo, Janice S.
Subject: UIPA request

Ms. Janice Okubo, Director                                   October 4,  2009

Hawaii State Department of Health

Via email janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov

 UIPA Record Request

 Dear Ms Okubo:

 In accordance with the UIPA, I am requesting all records that document, or show the Rules, Regulations and Policies regarding the criteria or methods used to determine whether a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) will  show either or both of the following, and the difference between the criteria  and where the information used to determine the statement (1 or 2) comes from such as where on a long form Birth Certificate that criteria is derived from:

  1)  Date Accepted by State Registrar

  2)  Date filed by Registrar

 I am requesting documents that show the rules in effect in 1960 to date including  any changes since then.

 To put it in simpler terms I am requesting any records or documents that show why some COLB’s show Date Accepted by State Registrar and why some COLB’s   show Date filed by Registrar along with who makes that determination.

 I request a Public Interest Waiver of  fees as the information is not readily available to the public and I intend to make the information readily available to the public and I have the ability to do so.  Neither chapter 117 of title 11 Hawaii Administrative Rules nor Hawaii Public Health  Regulations are readily available online or at local law libraries.

 Sincerely

(Name and contact info redacted)

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2 Comments

  1. ksdb
    Posted February 23, 2010 at 4:29 pm | Permalink | Reply

    “In the past, when births were recorded on paper they may have been accepted at a health office on an island other than O’ahu, such as Kaua’i. The paper record would then need to be sent to O’ahu to have a file number placed on it, and the filed date would then be sometime later (as you know, the state of Hawai’i is comprised of multiple islands with miles of water in between).”

    If I’m reading this right, she’s saying that a baby born off the main island could have a filed date AFTER the date a certificate was accepted by the local registrar, but the certificate number would only be applied when it was filed.

    In reference to Obama, maybe his ‘filed’ date was really the ‘accepted’ date. In such case, he was born off the main island and the application was accepted by the local registrar on Aug. 8. It could have theoretically taken a few days to get filed with the state registrar … say on Friday Aug. 11 … and theoretically he gets a higher certificate number than the Nordyke twins. Perhaps when the birth certificates were converted to the COLB system, his date filed became the date accepted. This is about the only legitimate way Obama could have a higher certificate number than the Nordykes, but it would have to mean he wasn’t born in Honolulu as claimed. If he was really born at Kapiolani in Honolulu, then it appears there is no way he could have a higher certificate number, unless the dates are wrong on his certificate.

    I agree with you, in just about all scenarios, this pretty much proves the COLB is a forgery. The only real caveat is if Okubo is wrong about how the system worked in 1961.

  2. ksdb
    Posted February 24, 2010 at 5:45 am | Permalink | Reply

    I don’t have posting priveleges at freerepublic … ask Ender why he redacted the name of the DOH person his friend allegedly talked to. Hurts the credibility of his story if he isn’t going to name names. This person would be a Hawaii state employee and if the employee really handles questions from a person off the street, his name can be made public.

    Ender and the other Obots don’t seem to want to acknowledge that Okubo said the file numbers are only applied by the DOH office Oahu.

    Also, Buckeye Texan had a really convoluted explanation of how Obama’s certificate would have been at the bottom of a big pile after the Nordyke twins certificate was filed. In other words, he’s talking about a first in, last out type of filing system … in which case a three-day difference does not explain a certificate number being out of sequence by only three numbers. That would be a pretty small pile … there’s just no way to explain why the numbers are so close together, but with Obama’s coming after the Nordykes. The Obot excuses are very flimsy.

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