Niesse UIPA Response



  1. Sharon Keller
    Posted September 21, 2010 at 6:26 pm | Permalink | Reply

    So they are telling you that for about $100 they are going to send you several hundred pages of names, one of which will have the words Obama, Barack Hussein Male. What will this mean? Where do you go from there?

    • Posted September 21, 2010 at 8:01 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I’m putting up my documents so I can link to them in a bigger post which will make sense out of all this random stuff. Unfortunately, several emergencies and my day job are going to mean the big post will probably come out tomorrow. Aagh. I hate to do this to my readers. I’m sorry that it doesn’t make a lot of sense right now.

      It probably seems silly that I want the 1961 birth index; believe me, there’s a method to my madness. lol.

      And there is also a reason the HDOH wants to keep it hidden. Several reasons, actually – but none of them are lawful. By the time a legal investigation gets to the bottom of things a lot of stuff will make sense. I can see it from here but don’t have the definite proof yet. That’s what they’re afraid is going to happen though.

  2. ksdb
    Posted September 21, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Permalink | Reply

    This shows something I brought up elsewhere. Spokesbabe Okubo says, “We know these requests are looking for the President’s vital records because no one else ever requests index data.” If this is how they are treating requests, then they could use this as a legal crutch to identify you or anyone else as a vexatious requestor and simply ignore your requests. It’s pretty arrogant and offensive because these requests are in some cases, not looking for Obama’s information, but other people’s information, which would be helpful to confirm newspaper birth announcements or other details related to but NOT specifically about Obama himself.

    Also, has Niesse been made aware that in spite of Spokesbabe Okubo’s misdirection, that index data has historically included other details such as certificate numbers and not just the current name, gender and type of event?? I found that other states, such as Washington, still include certificate numbers as part of their index data. If the certificate number validates Obama, there should no reason NOT to release that. Niesse is missing the boat that the HI DOH is needlessly failing to comply with disclosure laws by making faulty and/or willfully dishonest conclusions about the requests.

    • Posted September 22, 2010 at 4:21 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Good points.

      Niesse has not seemed willing to address the HDOH missteps.

      Something else that Okubo’s remarks show, which I just commented about on a different thread. If they assume that all index data requests are about Obama, then when they changed their procedures to require index data requests to be done via snail-mail they were creating a special rule JUST FOR INFORMATION ABOUT OBAMA (according to their claim that index data requests are all requests for information about Obama).

      That rule requires that a person spend money on postage (and the HDOH spend money on paper). From experience I can tell you that if you don’t send it with delivery confirmation they will deny they got your mail, and sometimes even if you DO have delivery confirmation they will claim they didn’t get it. There’s a big post coming revealing that the HDOH denied they have my request even after they got my money order for it and sent it back to me, disclosed my request to the AP and to me in UIPA requests, and replied to my request asking me to re-send it. IOW, even after they have sent FOUR different communications regarding the request, they told me they don’t have my request. Either the e-mail request, or the snail-mail request.

      Snail-mail takes more time, both for the HDOH to process and for the requester to wait.

      And snail-mail means the HDOH has to be given an address for whoever requests info they say is about Obama. No small thing, considering the Vital Records Office has already been caught snooping on requesters before they decide what to release to them.

      If index records are all about Obama, then the HDOH clearly treats information about Obama differently than other kinds of information, by requiring time, money, and a real address from anybody who requests information about Obama.

      This statement by Okubo is apparently how they would get around Fukino’s perjurious testimony before the Hawaii legislature saying they got far more requests for Obama’s records than they ever got. But I think for Fukino’s stats to be anywhere near accurate they would have to also say that all questions about rules or requests for documentation of rules are also all about Obama.

      • ksdb
        Posted September 23, 2010 at 5:14 am | Permalink

        Okubo’s statement suggests they’ve never had to follow their law on index data, because they evidently never got such requests prior to Obama’s alleged but redacted COLB appeared. Nevertheless, it doesn’t excuse their incompetence, obfuscation and dishonesty. It seems like the citizens of Hawaii, at the very least, deserve to know what kind of internal corruption exists in their DOH. Second, people at large need to understand that the DOH has several statutory ways they would be protected in verifying the information contained on the alleged COLB. The DOH needs to be pressed to explain why they are refusing to take advantage of these laws and provide the information the public deserves and has a legal right to see.

      • Posted September 23, 2010 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

        My bet is that most people who wanted index data were in Hawaii and just looked at the books in the HDOH office. The people who would request by e-mail or snail-mail are people who aren’t in Hawaii, and there probably weren’t very many who were interested in index data before the Obama problem. So making the requests have to be mailed is a way to discriminate against non-Hawaiians, who are the ones who wouldn’t be able to just run to the office and look for index data.

        Something else that I noticed in the P&E article about the researcher who went to the HDOH – the researcher said that a woman in line had ordered her long-form BC and was told it would be mailed to her in about a week. But I know someone who has mail-ordered their long-form BC who has been waiting months.

        I think it’s pretty clear that they have something against non-Hawaiians. They must feel like Hawaiians are “safe” for them but non-Hawaiians are suspicious. Definitely treating people differently basd on whether they’re actually in Hawaii or not.

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