HDOH Funny Business Regarding Virginia Sunahara

HDOH Funny Business Regarding Virginia Sunahara

Summary: The HDOH has Virginia Sunahara in their 1960-64 birth index but claims they don’t have a birth record for her.

 They want me to believe nobody has asked for her record rather than telling me they didn’t even search to find out.

 The base record for Obama’s forged long-form appears to be from somebody who matches Virginia Sunahara – a girl born at Wahiawa Hospital who has an R as the third letter of her first name.

 Virginia also meets the criteria for Bill Ayers’ preferred method of identity theft, since she died as an infant.

 Two months ago the HDOH director changed the policy to ensure that the original copy of Sunahara’s birth certificate will never see the light of day without a court battle, which would give her time to forge a BC for Virginia (like the HDOH forged Obama’s long-form). All she would have to change is the BC#. Like she apparently temporarily changed the database’s BC# for Stig Waidelich, whose BC# on the COLB (which he requested for a CNN report) is so far out of sequence with other known BC#’s that it cannot be genuine (more on that in another post hopefully).

 There will be more on the illegal activity of the HDOH.


  1. patp12
    Posted May 19, 2011 at 6:15 pm | Permalink | Reply

    What a web of deceit HDOH weaves!

  2. HistorianDude
    Posted May 19, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Okay… I want to make sure I have your position here on the Waidelich certificate.

    Looking again at the CNN report, Stig Waidelich and the CNN reporter appear to have arrived at the DoH unannounced and asked for (and received) his COLB on the spot.

    When was there an opportunity for the Director of Health to “temporarily changed the database’s BC#?”

    • Posted May 19, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Miss Tickly referenced the HDOH web page which says that unless special permission is requested, there will be no same-day copies made. So for him to walk in and get the thing on the spot immediately tells us that something is different about this request – something that CNN didn’t bother to tell us.

      My guess is that CNN and the HDOH worked this out before-hand. It serves the purpose for both of them.

      • HistorianDude
        Posted May 20, 2011 at 2:43 am | Permalink

        Actually… this is what the HDOH web page actually says:

        Certified copies are usually not issued on the day the application is made. Same-Day service may be provided upon presentation of written documentation establishing the need for urgency.

        Sure there was something different about this request. There was a CNN film crew along for the ride.

        So again… I ask. When was there an opportunity for the Director of Health to “temporarily changed the database’s BC#?”

      • Posted May 20, 2011 at 2:57 am | Permalink

        As long as CNN has the phone number for Fuddy they had plenty of time to change the number.

  3. Medusa
    Posted May 20, 2011 at 3:16 am | Permalink | Reply

    Interesting – I’ve listened to several interviews with Dr. Corsi, and every time someone manages to call in and comment on the sequence of the Waidelich number.

    Oddly enough, there was a post on that Fog-something web forum…it stated that one of the regulars had Heard one of the other regulars on the phone interview…they were joking about it (as in “was that YOU?” 🙂 And the Only call it could have been was the one asking about the out-of-sequence Waidelich number, as all the others related to Dr. Corsi’s comments.

    Hmmm…aren’t there a bunch of Lawyers on that site? It was almost as if they were making an inside joke – You Don’t Suppose?…

    They were also posting about making some “revisions” on Wikipedia…

    no response required 😉

    • Posted May 20, 2011 at 3:34 am | Permalink | Reply

      Almost as if that number was supposed to rebut Okubo’s own statement that the numbers were given on the “date filed”, or the CDC’s statement that numbers were given serially.

      It was pretty amazing how quickly Waidelich’s number got mentioned here, considering how unclear it apparently is to the unaided eye. 😉

      • HistorianDude
        Posted May 20, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

        Exactly how “quickly” did it get mentioned here? It was broadcast on April 25. When was the first time it was brought to your attention?

      • Posted May 20, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

        6:17AM the morning after it aired.

      • gorefan
        Posted May 20, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

        Hi Butter – Can you explain how Virginia Sunahara would have a Certification Number higher then the Nordyke’s? If it was filed on August 8th, like the President’s and Mr. Waidelich, by your theory it could not be. If it was filed on August 11th, like the Nordyke’s, and if it was processed by DOB then she would have a lower number, if it was processed alhabetically then Susan would follow Gretchen (as you pointed out)?

      • Posted May 20, 2011 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

        It would depend on when her BC arrived at the HDOH’s office and whether there was any other processing they may have had to do on it before they could accept or file it. With Virginia there is reason to believe that there would be a delay, because as of the time that her death was reported in the newspaper the name listed was Tomio, which suggests that Kapiolani – the hospital where she died – goofed up the death certificate, which then didn’t match the name on the birth certificate from Wahiawa General Hospital. Deaths were required to be reported faster than births so the death certificate may have arrived at the HDOH before the birth certificate did, so when the birth certificate arrived they had to check it against the death certificate and the discrepancy needed to be verified with the hospital and possibly even with the family, which means that the processing involved created a special situation for that record.

        As I’ve said with all this, the only way we’re gonna KNOW exactly what happened is by looking at the embedded computer transaction logs. Given the amount of manipulation already documented and the total absence of credibility on the part of the HDOH an audit is absolutely warranted. This could be done without revealing any of the particular content on the birth certificates involved so there is no reason for the HDOH to not allow inspection of those records. Would you agree?

      • Posted May 20, 2011 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

        Another scenario is that the birth certificate went with Virginia to the hospital where she died (and I realize I said she died at Kapiolani. that is a presumption based on Kapiolani having the NICU; we don’t know that for sure) so the additional medical information could be completed. I’ve tried to find out what the procedures are when a medical transfer takes place on a newborn but couldn’t find anything conclusive. So we don’t know.

      • HistorianDude
        Posted May 20, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

        6:17AM the morning after it aired.


        Can you point me to the comment?

      • Posted May 20, 2011 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

        —– Original Message —–
        From: “WordPress.com”
        To: A new comment on the post “Hawaii Open Records Law Thrown Overboard” is waiting for your approval
        > https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/hawaii-open-records-law-thrown-overboard/
        > Author : gorefan (IP redacted)
        > E-mail : (redacted)
        > URL :
        > Whois : http://whois. (redacted)
        > Comment:
        > I assume you saw the CNN piece with Stig Waidelich. He was born on 8/5/1961. His birth announcement is in the same papers as President Obama. His COLB says “date filed” and was filed on 8/8/1961. But his Certificate Number is 151 1961 010920.
        > How does that fit into your Birth Certificate numbering theory?

      • Posted May 20, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

        The “sent” line got deleted. Let’s see if it gets deleted if I try again.

        —– Original Message —–
        From: “WordPress.com”
        Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 6:17 AM
        Subject: [Butterdezillion’s Blog] Please moderate: “Hawaii Open Records Law Thrown Overboard”

        >A new comment on the post “Hawaii Open Records Law Thrown Overboard” is waiting for your approval
        > https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/hawaii-open-records-law-thrown-overboard/
        > Author : gorefan
        > E-mail :
        > URL :
        > Whois :
        > Comment:
        > I assume you saw the CNN piece with Stig Waidelich. He was born on 8/5/1961. His birth announcement is in the same papers as President Obama. His COLB says “date filed” and was filed on 8/8/1961. But his Certificate Number is 151 1961 010920.
        > How does that fit into your Birth Certificate numbering theory?

      • Posted May 20, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

        Huh. It also took out the donotreply@wordpress.com as the address that the message came from. More screwing around with my computer? I get so sick of this.

    • HistorianDude
      Posted May 20, 2011 at 12:50 pm | Permalink | Reply


      Yes… it was a regular on the FogBow forum that first noticed the Waidelich number and realized that it pretty much destroyed the Birther argument regarding certificate numbers.

      Why would it surprise you that we would be making that fact known?

      • Posted May 20, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

        I don’t think it surprises us at all; I think y’all appeared right on schedule, which is the point being made. 6:17AM the morning after it aired, while everybody else was just getting their shoes tied for the day, the Fogbow folks already had it screen-capped, magnified, the number taken down, and doing battle for the Obama camp.

        On FR there were comments made that CNN was actually trying to obscure the BC# of Waidelich, which made me laugh inwardly because by then I knew that the BC# had already been pointed out to me from even before I woke up that day. Somebody was saying that the BC# was being hidden from the general public and people were frustrated that they couldn’t make out what it was…. and somebody at Fogbow had already reported it to me, the person who first noted that Okubo’s statement ruled out the explanations previously given for the discrepancy (the explanation STILL being attempted even after Okubo’s statements).

        Almost as if CNN wanted to make sure that the general public didn’t see the number and note how badly off it was before the Obama apologists had a chance to get in there and claim that it disproved the sequential numbering of BC’s.

        Because Janice Okubo’s own statements, as well as the HDOH Administrative Rules, say that both Waidelich and Obama have anomalous BC#’s, those computer transaction logs should be opened up. There is nothing confidential that would be disclosed simply by showing the public when those records were accessed and what was done with the record. The HDOH is being accused of altering records. It would be easy for them to disprove that, without violating any confidentiality. They should do it. Would you agree?

      • Medusa
        Posted May 20, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

        I don’t recall mentioning surprise, Dude – just pointing out another irony.

        Kind of like the irony that the only coverage on Fox was a hit-job interview by Greg Jarrett, and he seemed to take his talking points directly from that fabulous site Turning the Scale. He made a big point of stating that Corsi’s Hawaii PI didn’t have a license – the only place I’ve seen that argument is on the ‘Turning’ site.

        Good to know that you have Fox in your pocket now too…one more reason to quit paying cable fees.

      • Posted May 20, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

        One of the big dangers with what’s going on is that there’s nobody credible in the conservative movement.

        Nobody I actually care to listen to any more. They’ve all lied, been bribed, or been sucked in by easily-bunked lies. I just have no interest in even hearing their voices any more. Nobody on Fox. Nobody on local radio.Nodoby who’s running for any position. If they are this blatantly wrong on something so easily verifiable, what can I actually trust them on? They’ve lost credibility.

        Trump was a breath of fresh air because he represented the possibility of somebody not being sucked in by the lies. With him AWOL now, there’s nobody. It’s all just everybody jockeying to be homecoming king or queen; has nothing to do with truth or the rule of law. Those are both just casualties of the political games they all play over the corpse of America the Beautiful.

        Unless we the people rise up and turn things around – against all the powers-that-be including government, media, law enforcement, the courts, etc – America as a free nation is room temperature.

      • HistorianDude
        Posted May 20, 2011 at 4:53 pm | Permalink


        Where exactly does “Janice Okubo’s own statements, as well as the HDOH Administrative Rules, say that both Waidelich and Obama have anomalous BC#’s?”

      • Posted May 20, 2011 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

        (sigh) I just typed this in and the computer lost it.

        Janice Okubo said that the “date filed by local registrar” was the date that the local registrar filed the BC, the “date accepted by state registrar” was the date that the state registrar accepted and gave the BC a number, and the two terms were combined into the term “date filed” in the current computer system because for Oahu BC’s those were the same dates.

        The HDOH Administrative Rules refer to the assignment of the state file number/certificate number as the state’s official acceptance of the record – which is significant because after that point any amendments, additions, or deletions have to be noted on the BC and render the BC no longer prima facie evidence in legal proceedings.

        That’s why the 1955 article at http://www.wnd.com/files/CHARLESBENNETT.pdf refers to the registrar checking with the hospital if there are any questions or discrepancies. The registrar would want to get that ironed out before filing the BC, because mistakes could cause legal problems for the registrant later. Hawaii statute also allowed the local registrar to register unattended births, and there was a 30-day window for the registrar to collect supplemental information in such a case without the penalty of being marked “late” or “altered”.

        Page 5 of the CDC’s 1961 Natality Report also says that the local registrar checks for completeness and genuineness of the information before filing it and sending it on to the state registrar.

        So when the local registrar is satisfied that the BC is correct, he sends it on to the state registrar, who then stamps it with a certificate number and stamps the date on it. We can tell that by the way the certificate number and date stamps look. They are not typed; they are stamped.

        If Stig Waidelich’s BC says “date filed” is Aug 8, then that is the date it was given a number. Same with Obama’s. On Aug 8th, the Nordyke BC’s were not even in the state registrar’s office, so there is no way that anybody could have alphabetized Waidelich’s with the Nordykes’. On Aug 8th they used their date stamper and their certificate number stamper and put those stamps on Waidelich’s BC. And on Obama’s BC.

        But those certificate numbers are higher than the certificate numbers that were stamped on the Nordyke BC’s. IOW, the HDOH wants us to believe that they stamped those numbers on the Obama and Waidelich BC’s and then 3 days later they backed up their adjustable certificate number stamp 200+ numbers and used that number on the 2 Nordyke girls’ BC’s.

        No way.

      • HistorianDude
        Posted May 20, 2011 at 4:55 pm | Permalink


        Turning the Scale was not the only sight that discovered Corsi’s “investigator” was unlicensed. That was all over the place pretty quickly since Hawaii has all their licenses on-line.

  4. Medusa
    Posted May 20, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Permalink | Reply

    ah, ok…well perhaps you can enlighten me? I can’t seem to come up with a search term that lists sites…sights, as you call them…”all over the place”

    Not interested in playing Have the Last Word with you…I’m ready for a weekend. Happy Friday!

    • Posted May 31, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Seems that obot Historian D. forgets that:
      “O! What tangled webs we weave, when first we
      practice to deceive.” Check out Sir Walter Scott!
      Probably a DNC troll sent forth by Pelosi & Germond,
      all traitors to America. We now see the depth and
      stench of their treason. Martial law soon. All
      hail the Rosenbergs, and their sordid fate!. J.

    Posted July 17, 2011 at 9:05 am | Permalink | Reply

    Why is it taking so long to get to the TRUTH in all this?

    • Posted July 20, 2011 at 3:55 am | Permalink | Reply

      Because nobody covering for Obama will answer anything unless forced by a subpoena (and even at that, they ignore Congressional subpoenas). And the judges all claim that it is none of our business if we have a fraud in our White House. IOW, this is NOT OUR COUNTRY, according to the judiciary. So much for government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

      The biggest slap in the face that the courts could give me is to tell me that if I lose this country and the rule of law I haven’t lost anything of value. Maybe this country is of no value to them, but to me and to those who have given their lives for this country, that’s like spitting on everything we do and believe.

      I dare those judges to say that to our gold star moms and dads, or to the soldiers who watched their friends die for the sake of this country and its freedoms and Constitution. The Westboro Baptist folks spitting on grieving family members don’t even come close to the slime that these judges are. It makes me physically ill to even think about it.

  6. Barbie
    Posted July 31, 2011 at 9:41 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Has anyone checked the bank accounts of these bureaucrats at the HDOH and see if any of them have received large sums of money from O.whodat’s slush fund that has sealed and lawyered up his whole life’s paper trail all over the world?

    • Posted August 4, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Good question. I don’t think anybody would have standing to see bank account records, and the stimulus was a slush fund for any kind of payback or bribery the Obama people wanted to use it on; they could call the bribery transaction anything they wanted. When inspector general Gerald Walpin (and 4 or 5 other IG’, if I remember correctly) cried foul on politically-motivated transactions that benefitted individual “friends”/accomplices of Obama, they were illegally fired, which judges then ignored.

      That is part of the reason that I say the entire system is broken. We have inspectors general who are supposed to protect us against this kind of corruption. But as long as we have political judges who will ignore the illegal firing of IG’s who actually do the job we pay them to do, we may as well not have any IG’s. And so in that area – as in all the other areas of governance – we the people are left without any protections because of the slimy, crooked judges who rule this nation.

      We’ve seen the same thing on display at the DOJ when the people noting that Holder wouldn’t charge any blacks with crimes (such as voter intimidation by the New Black Panther Party members) were fired and/or moved to different positions to get them out of the way. And with Gun Walker when the whistleblower was fired even after Congress warned the White House they better not fire him. And when the Able Danger people were smeared and barred from testifying before Congress regarding the 1999 disposal of records about Mohammad Atta in order to cover Sec Def William Perry’s own treason in selling forbidden encrypted satellite technology to someone he knew was a front company for the Chinese military. It goes on and on. The people who are supposed to be protecting the people and the integrity of the system are easily gotten rid of, to the point that I believe we can say that we are entirely unprotected and there is no accountability for these bureaucrats and their slush funds at all.

      That being the case, every budget Congress passes is a big slush fund – a signed blank check for the politically-appointed bureaucrats to use however they darn well please., with nobody of integrity able to check up on how it is being used.

      That’s another reason why this is really about so much more than just Obama. It’s about the utter and absolute failure of the system because the avenues of accountability have all been disabled.

      • Posted August 11, 2011 at 12:49 am | Permalink

        Great post, as is every other one of yours which I have read. I fully share your sentiment that the “system” has failed, but, as always, it isn’t so much the system as the corruption of those within the system. This may be why Madison and Adams, among others, warned that our system was only suited to a God-fearing, i.e., principled people. (I’m paraphrasing somewhat, but, as you know, that was their precise sentiment.)

        So, we are faced with one of two possiblities at this point: Either God has accomplished His purposes with this nation that He raised up as a beacon of freedom to the world, or, He has not. While all outward signs would indicate that this is “beyond repair,” I trust that we have not yet, as a nation, done all that He intends for us to do; and until we have, He will assist, as well as guide, the efforts of the righteous…yes, the righteous…to face down this tyranny.

        So, while things may appear to be hopeless, we can trust that as long as there are enough of us trying to “right the unrightable wrong” – and there are, in fact, countless of us, as you know, who do still understand, and are commited to, the Rule of Law – as long as we do not give in to the temptation to despair and desist, He will bless our efforts, and we (and the truth) will prevail. The truth cannot be hidden forever, and by even the smallest of means, He can cause the tide of history to change once more. It could even happen on September 15th, but it matters not when, as the victory is in His hands, ao long as WE do all that we can.

        In the meantime, the only thing that matters to any of us individually, is that WE continue to choose the right over personal interest, and remain defiant of those who demand that we be silent. We will not!

        God bless you, Nel, and the rest of the true patriots, most of those here, who have had, and continue to have, the courage to continue our course!

        Tom Ballantyne – Author

        PS. One thing that has come out of this is the certain knowledge of who can be counted on to stand for truth at all costs. On that score, it has been sad indeed to see the huge number of casualties among those whom we thought we could trust. Other than Rusty Humphries, and to a lesser degree, Rush, I can think of no other national “Conservative” host who has remained unflinching in the face of the relentless venom of the ruling elites. Lou Dobbs held firm while at CNN, but was evidently given the chance to restore his good name at Fox, so long as he disgraced it by remaining silent there. (To my knowledge, he has never spoken of it, since his initial interview with O’Reilly, in which it was neatly put to rest – even though he defended his original stance…for apparently the last time.) It remains my absolute conviction, however, that those of us who have not backed down, have no need of “leadership,” or support, from those who have. Only those who unhesitatingly embrace the truth, at all costs, can, and will lead.

        PPS. I finished my “novel,” Oh Really, O’Reilly! (320 pages, plus 150 pages of documents)on this subject, two days ago, and it will be available at my website, and on Amazon by month’s end. One of my key areas of focus is the collusion and cover-up from both government (especially the State of Hawaii) and the “Conservative” media. I name names, and denounce their dereliction of duty. All should read it!

      • Posted August 11, 2011 at 11:31 am | Permalink

        The betrayal by “friends” is the deepest cut of all – though some of them received threats and nearly all of them take orders from the”masters”. who employ them. The exception there is Jeff Kuhner, who is free to speak his mind and supported the eligibility issue at one point, though I don’t know if anybody has done so since the latest forgery came out.

        I think what this all comes down to is exactly what you said. If the Lord is done with America as a beacon of freedom, then we will go the way of all other great civilizations, falling under the weight of our own corruption and lack of wisdom. Each person is responsible for their own response to these troubling times.

        Congratulations on finishing your book. I hope a lot of people will read and comprehend it, because the content is so critical for understanding these troubling times.

  7. epicurious
    Posted January 30, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Permalink | Reply


    Fuddy did not change the policy; They are basing their denial to issue LFBCs on a memorandum written by a previous HDoH Director some 11 years ago. Until recently, they long ago resumed issuing LFBCs which in my opinion makes the old memorandum null and void. Fuddy cannot just make up the rules as she goes along; she simply has no legal basis to do so.


    Click to access Policy_Memo_5_15_2001.PDF

    I am also a little miffed that it appears you are asserting that you and you alone unraveled this mystery. Other than a slight reference to ladyforest’s blog, you give none of us ANY credit for the countless hours we dedicated to researching the VS mystery. If I recall correctly, it was Pelo who identified VS as the potential victim of identiy theft. I implore you to please give credit where credit is due; otherwise I will come forward and let everyone know that there were others involved including myself. I am in regular contact with Duncan who I am sure will attest to our team’s effort. Duncan first went to the HDoH last spring based on a letter I sent him in February 2011. I am also actively assisting the cold case posse. .

    My hope is you will do the honorable thing and share the credit while protecting our identities.


    • ksdb
      Posted January 31, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Permalink | Reply

      The policy memo is actually illegal. The statute on disclosures still says the department must provide upon request any part of any certificate. The memo alludes to certain information being restricted, but other than adoption-related records and information, there really isn’t anything that is specifically prohibited from disclosure.

    • Posted January 31, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Permalink | Reply

      There are some lovely people in that group who did wonderful work. There are also wonderful people that I worked with from Free Republic who contributed much without asking or receiving public credit, including a PI who found the contact info for the Sunaharas that enabled the visit to them. Most things that have been discovered have been discovered by the efforts of a lot of people working together. I regularly try to express appreciation to the people I have worked with, and if they have given permission for me to mention them publicly I attribute what they’ve contributed. If there’s anybody I have neglected to thank I sincerely apologize and say for all to see that none of any of this would be possible without each person who has pitched in. You know who you are and if you would like the world to know who you are, give me the word and I will happily let everybody know what you contributed.

      From their Motion to Dismiss, it sounds to me like the HDOH is arguing that HRS 338-16 gives the HDOH Director the authority to determine the METHOD OF REPRODUCTION and they choose to have it be computer-generated. They know that only abbreviated copies can be computer-generated according to the Administrative Rules so they argue that when HRS 338-16 says that a certified abbreviated copy shall be considered in all respects the same as the original (or whatever it exactly says; I’m going off the top of my head at the moment because I need to get back to my job ASAP), that means they can give an abbreviated copy when somebody asks for a standard copy.

      What they’re totally ignoring is that UIPA still stands, and it says that if the law specifically authorizes disclosure of a record then it MUST be disclosed. And there is no “policy” by Alvin Onaka or anybody else that could EVER nullify that. They have acknowledged that Duncan Sunahara is authorized to receive a standard copy of Virginia’s birth certificate; they just argue that a COLB is supposed to “count” the same as the original so they don’t have to disclose a certified STANDARD copy (which cannot be reproduced by computer generation according to PHR Chapter 8b).

      • Posted January 31, 2012 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

        Hi! Long time no “talk”! I was amused in rereading my post above that I noted that my then-forthcoming book, O’Reilly, was “320 pages.” Interestingly, it ended up being 420, with another 158 pages of Appendices, etc. …but I digress! (The review can be seen here: https://www.createspace.com/3673914.)
        I realize you were going from memory, just as you stated, but HRS 338-13 “Certified copies” is the Statue that Fuddy, Onaka, Nagamine, Nishimura, et al., continue to ignore. It starts:
        “Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17 and , and 338-18 [which cover “Late or Altered Birth Certificates,” “Children Born Out of State,” and “Disclosure of Records”], the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.”

        HRS 338-14.3 “Verification in lieu of a certified copy,” is specifically to allow applicants (those seeking access to their personal records, or any of those included in the list in S338-16), to request partial information – perhaps for employment application purposes, etc., where only limited information is required, and one doesn’t wish to give out more info than necessary. I mention this because when S338-13 refers to “the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof,” it is saying that the applicant can request a copy of “any part” or all of the certificate. This is clearly not meant to be an option on the part of the State (the DOH) to provide whatever they wish, but, rather clarifying that the applicant (whose certificate it is, in most cases – see S338-18) can have any or all of it. No doubt Nagamine would argue (if she were confronted with the statute – which, mind-bogglingly she apparently hasn’t been!) the exact opposite; i.e., that this gives the State the right to decide what to release – but any honest observer can see that such is clearly not the case.

        As you referenced in your reply above, ButterDZ, (c) under S338-13 states that “Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health.” However, (a) under S338-18 states that “To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.” So while this gives them plenty of room to argue, it also acknowledges (conversely) that one may “as authorized by this part [S338-18] or by rules adopted by the department of health” “inspect[…]…vital statistics records.”

        Here’s the bottom line: While Deputy Attorney General Jill Nagamine has argued ad nauseam that only one of the thirteen specifically designated as eligible (interesting word in this context!) in S338-18, she (as well as Orly and everyone else, apparently) specifically avoids acknowledging (9) “A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.”

        Nagamine has, in fact, argued that Royce Lamberth’s D.C. Federal District Court, which initially allowed Taitz discovery (if memory serves me), did not (does not) have jurisdiction; and it is that question that Judge Nishimura should be addressing, as Orly clearly qualifies as one of the thirteen specifically designated persons (or types of person) who can inspect the record in question.

        As always, there is much to cover and explain. As grateful as I am to Orly for her valiant efforts, I wish she would join forces with other like-minded attorneys who may be able to bring to bear their own experience and wisdom in dealing with these matters. Two heads (or more) are always better than one, so long as they are both intelligent, and directed to the same noble end.

        At this point, our prayers should be for Judge Michael Malihi, and Secretary Kemp in Georgia. Their mutual decisions could and should be “game changers.” We are all aware that other states are “entertaining” similar “ballot initiatives” – for lack of a better term. This, in conjunction with Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation. All of these efforts serve to keep the heat on, and turn it up a notch. Eventually, the truth will win out…and make us free! That will not happen, however, until enough of us have acknowledged our failure to uphold the Constitution and the Rule of Law…including the Laws of God, as contained in the Decalogue. Until we repent as a nation, and humble ourselves before Him who have us freedom, we will continue to be enslaved. Each of us who knows the truth about this much continue to speak out, and to pray that truth will prevail!

        Tom Ballantyne – Author of Oh Really, O’Reilly!

      • ksdb
        Posted January 31, 2012 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

        I would just point out, too, that these statutes do give the director of health broad discretionary authority to come up with a manageable system for disclosing vital records to those who qualify under the direct and tangible interest criteria and other exceptions. Neither Chiyome Fukino nor Loretta Fuddy have ever been rigidly bound by that 11-year-old memo from the previous director of health.

        Fuddy admitted she had the legal authority to decide how copies are made … and she used that authority to make an “exception to current departmental policy” (i.e., the 11-year-old memo) when Obama requested a copy of the long-form. What she didn’t admit is that same authority could be used to issue copies directly to the media or to ANY court of law (under subpoena or even as a friend of the court). The department acknowledges there is sufficient public interest. Why they willfully evade any formal and independent documented confirmation of Obama’s records makes it clear there is a major problem with said records. Honest people don’t work so hard to hide the truth.

      • Posted February 1, 2012 at 12:34 am | Permalink

        100% correct!

      • Posted February 1, 2012 at 12:54 am | Permalink

        Lots of good points made here, and thanks to everybody for correcting me and posting more detailed analysis.

        It’s been a really rough day today so I’m not very with it. I’ve been operating on less than 2 hours of sleep today and found out about an hour ago that a dear friend died this afternoon. An 81-year-old man I worked with; I should have seen it coming when he had the heart attack a few weeks ago but he was doing so well. I thought I had all the tears out but this one’s gonna leave a big hole. A true gentleman, a patient listener, and always a bright spot in my life. I’m happy for him but sad for those of us who are going to miss him so badly.

        Life is so precious. Last night at devotions we prayed for a family at the request of one of our members; his sister’s pastor just got to their church in December and when the whole family of husband, wife, and 4 young children in their car seats were out on the road there was a collision and now the pastor is left to deal with one child who is the only other survivor. It was hard enough to lose our daughter to stillbirth but I can’t even imagine the pain of losing 3 little children and your spouse. I can’t even watch the videos of our kids when they were little without getting misty-eyed, and I can’t imagine how precious those photos and videos will become fo this young pastor but how painful they will be for a long, long time.

        Whatever you do, take time tonight to hold somebody close and tell them you love them. In the end, love is the only thing we take with us from this world.

  8. Posted February 1, 2012 at 8:43 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Butter, here’s an interview with expert Doug Vogt with Dr. James Manning….this is an excellent interview with a lot of info about the BC number sequencing plus the case of Sunhara BC. http://obamaballotchallenge.com/doug-vogts-mega-neutron-bomb-on-obamas-eligibility

    • Posted February 1, 2012 at 9:04 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Thanks. I saw that. The hard part about interviews is that you can’t show the documentation you have. I’d be very interested to see the documentation; hopefully that will be in the report that he and Irey are writing.

    • Posted February 2, 2012 at 1:01 am | Permalink | Reply

      Interesting Coincidence?

      I have to assume that you are NOT Tommy G. Thompson, the former Secretary of Health and Human Services under President George W. Bush. If you are, congratulations on continuing to be a concerned, as well as an informed, citizen!

      Meanwhile, while watching the breaking interview with Doug Vogt (recommended by this particular Tommy Thompson – above) on Reverend Manning’s network just now, I noted that in 1906 (or 1916 – can’t recall which) the U.S. Department of Health had attempted to stipulate the information and format for state-issued birth certificates. As a matter of interest at this point, the federal guidelines in effect today were issued in 2003 by Secretary Thompson, and they are definitely of what can only be considered a long-form birth certificate. A copy of both his letter to the various state departments of health, and the recommended format for the federally-prescribed (although not legally-mandated) birth certificate is included in Appendix II of my recently-released book, Oh Really, O’Reilly! The reason this was relevant at the time of my writing (before the virtual “release” of the obviously-fraudulent long-form document) was that the Hawaii DOH was insisting that their “standard” birth certificate, was indeed the short-form “Certification” – which they insist to this day is the case…in direct defiance to the referenced 2003 HSH directive! (It also defies their own HRS 338-13 which states that the DOH is required to issue copies of original certificates to all qualified applicants, as I posted here yesterday.)

      While I set out to simply document the facts surrounding the issue of the birth certificate, and to expose the so-called “Conservatives” (like, but certainly not limited to, Bill O’Reilly!), in short order it became abundantly clear that this matter involved massive fraud and coverup, and included not only the entire establishment media (on both Left and Right), but virtually the entire state government of Hawaii, the Courts (federal and state), and the Congress, Social Security Administration, et al.

      Our best hope now, of course, is that the complaints filed in the various states (I can’t imagine why we haven’t found citizens in each of the 50 states to do this, but so far we don’t seemed to have managed to do that) will be successful, and will result in his being kept off the ballots of states nationwide. At some point the clamor for him to do what every 16 year old in the country must do in the simple case of attaining a driver’s license (produce an actual certified copy of an original birth certificate), that judges will feel obliged to actually uphold the law!

      We can certainly also hope (and pray) that the Sunahara family will be successful in obtaining a copy of Virginia’s original birth record (long-form certificate). If I may, in conclusion, I wish to reiterate the importance of continuing to spread the truth via email forwards, talk radio, etc., so that we continue to apply pressure to those allegedly on “our side” who have dutifully followed the marching orders of the Elites (Sorros, et al.), and refused to take up this issue. I will confront the Governor of Arizona over this when she addresses a neighboring Tea Party next week. As you may know, she vetoed a Presidential Eligibility Bill passed by the AZ legislature last year, and they plan to have a revised bill on her desk in the recently-opened current session!

      Tom Ballantyne – Author

      • Posted February 2, 2012 at 1:14 am | Permalink

        I suggest that the AZ legislature send the bill to Gov Brewer’s desk the day after the Cold Case Posse reports its findings.

      • Posted February 2, 2012 at 1:27 am | Permalink

        Excellent suggestion, ButterDZ. Brilliant, in fact! I’ll pass that on to them directly.
        THIS is the value of all of us working together! Many heads working together are better than one working alone!

      • Posted February 2, 2012 at 2:13 am | Permalink

        That’s what Epi was getting at too. We’re all really so interconnected. Like a body. All the parts are needed and valuable even if their vital role is not outwardly visible. We need each other. I think that’s probably why the tactic of Obama’s people has always been to divide us, to keep us at each other’s throats rather than functioning together. But I think we’re getting where we need to get, and Arizona is playing a mighty, mighty role in that.

        Let her feel the pressure, but don’t be too hard on Brewer. She may be dealing with threats we don’t know about, and we’re gonna need her good will. Please let her know how much of this country stands with Arizona. Even more than they have done to the rest of America, George Soros and his puppet regime have declared war on Arizona. Tom, when I saw the way the media was butchering Jan Brewer as she was considering whether to sign the immigration law, I thought it was all over. I was sure she would cave. When she didn’t, I literally cried for joy. There was still hope, still the possibility of standing strong in the face of media pressure and ridicule. Brewer has it in her to lead this fight, and I want her to know how much we need that and respect her for that. I was angry when she wouldn’t sign the eligibility bill before, but the past is gone if we can rise up together for the future. Please let her know that.

  9. Posted February 2, 2012 at 3:58 am | Permalink | Reply

    I appreciate your thoughts…and agree. Two weeks ago, Jack Cashill and I spoke to the 450+ people at the Red Mountain Tea Party, which she will be addressing next week. Everyone there is primed for this issue, and I will prayerfully prepare for how I will approach her. This latest little dust-up between the Governor and our unenlightened Despot will only serve to our advantage. He is so self-absorbed that he thinks he can threaten and abuse her, when with the stroke of her pen she can keep him off of the ballot in November…and that is precisely what I will tell her!

    • Posted February 2, 2012 at 4:25 am | Permalink | Reply

      Will Arizona be spending any money trying to defend the Arizona government people embroiled in Eric Holder’s Fast & Furious mess that may end up costing the taxpayers $25 million (can’t remember if that’s the exact amount) in damages to the Brian Terry family?

      This administration has declared war on Arizona, and innocent people are being destroyed by it. Arizona’s own government personnel are being corrupted by this administration, to the point that the Arizona government could be considered at war with her own people. The stakes are huge.

      The Founding Fathers knew that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Brewer needs only to look across the border to see what awaits America unless SOMEBODY re-establishes the checks and balances. The federal government won’t. If the country is going to have any chance of survival, the check on Obama’s power is going to have to come from the states. And if they fail, then we can expect ABSOLUTE CORRUPTION because that is what we tolerated. Everything this country has been and promises to be is on the line. Our whole heritage.

      • Posted February 2, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

        The thing about Brewer’s cowardly and pathetic veto that disturbed me most was her obvious distaste for leading the nation. I am proud (as are the vast majority of Arizona citizens) that as a state, we did just that with 1070.
        Why in the world should we cower at being THE state to stand up against a tyrannical regime which actually sided with a foreign country (Mexico) in suing one of its own states? The short, and obvious answer is that we SHOULDN’T, and as citizens of Arizona, we will make her fully aware of that fact. We are at war, and, as you point out, the future of the country and our freedoms is at stake…and this corrupt and illegitimate regime is arrogantly trampling on our rights and our Constitution; and the only way that will stand is if WE, the People, of both Arizona and the United States, allow it!
        Tom Ballantyne – Author

  10. Posted June 4, 2012 at 1:08 am | Permalink | Reply

    Butterdezillion, Thank you for the link when I question about Virginia Sunaharah BC# being used by Obama.

    I am so sick of the amount of Corruption & Cover-up in our Government!!

    I read that there will be an October surprise!!

    Will this be a the original BC that has just magicly appeared??

    I saved this since 2009:

    Obama Admin apparently searched all of Toranto fro a 1960’s Printing Press that was fully operational & can make a Forgery!!

    April 20th,2009 (It did not occur to me at the time to copy URL & author’s name)

    **[MargaretSmith/Banking Trade Commerce Canadian Printing Press/Obama]**

    From the original report about Obama’s administration doing a long form Birth Certificate “Forgery”:

    “They have already prepared the “forgery” with special paper and ink.

    The document was printed on a fully functional 1960 Heidelberger printing press located at a print museum in Toronto.

    Access was arranged by a trustee of the museum who is connected to a large Canadian banking/investment firm with major US interests.”

    Expounding on this striking detail, some blanks needed to be filled in.

    Locating the Museum in Toronto with a printing press that would do the job

    Are you ready for this?

    “Research was done on nearly every Museum in the Toronto area for a printing press that was operational and could do a “forgery”.”

    Everything connecting museums in the area with this type and age of printing press kept pointing back to one Museum in the area.

    The name of the Museum this the “National Museum of Science and Technology” in Toronto.

    It has quite a collection of older printing presses. Below is a snippet of the Museums description:

    Among numerous exhibits in this educational facility is a collection of printing equipment that includes flatbeds, jobbers, cylinder and rotary presses (http://www.briarpress.org/139)

    Identifying a Trustee with links to Canadian banking and investment firms

    The next item of business was to find any Trustees (as mentioned by the report) to this Museum that had a connection to a large Canadian investment firm. After looking into this, one person really stood out right away.

    The Museum only has three Trustees assigned to it and Margaret Smith came up with a numerous ties to Canada’s economic and investment banking syndicate.

    It is likely because she serves on the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce for Canada. This definitely qualifies her for being connected to not just one, but several Canadian banking and investment firms.

    If it is like in the US, then she probably gets “kick-backs” from more than one firm, by introducing legislation to the Committee that will benefit the firms substantially. The Trustee of the Museum and member of the Senate Banking Committee appear to be the same Margaret Smith, though not 100% certain.

    Canadian Source URL confirming Margaret Smith attending a Senate Banking Committee meeting:http://www.parl.gc.ca/36/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/com-e/bank-e/27mn-e.htm?Language=E&Parl=36&Ses=1&comm_id=3 (how much you want to bet this gets scrubbed?).

    Canadian Source URL confirming Margaret Smith as a Trustee to the Museum (this one less likely to get scrubbed, but probably will)
    Both sources were backed up, along with images.

    There are still some questions left, like who did Obama meet with and that is also a member of this same Banking Committee on his recent trip to Canada?

    Today’s date is June 3rd,2012

    • Posted June 4, 2012 at 1:48 am | Permalink | Reply

      At this point they’ve got problems that even a good forgery couldn’t solve, because a good forgery would have to be different than the one Obama already presented. And Obama should eventually be required to testify as to why anybody had to forge what he posted, if there was an original all along that the HDOH sent him.

      What’s bugged me most about this all along is the lies and law-breaking. We who have been pursuing this have been doing so because the “answers” we were given never made sense. Some people say Obama was really born in Hawaii but he’s been messing with us as a lark or for political points. To that I say, “HELL NO!!! Crimes are not a prank. Forgery, perjury, obstruction of justice, bribery, murder…. none of those things is a GAME that big people can do to toy with the little peons. This jerk needs to be in jail at the VERY LEAST.”

      As a variation of a quote used by some: Authentic documents could come out tomorrow proving that Obama was birthed in the White House and it STILL wouldn’t make him a non-criminal.

      I wonder if the guy who looked at deeper layers of the internet to find that Obama was a signed member of The New Party would be able to dig up this story and find out its source.

  11. Posted April 9, 2013 at 1:40 am | Permalink | Reply

    ebysan errs in thinking that a paper counterfeit was produced. there was never a paper version of the purely digital pdf fake until people pointed out its lack of a State or HDOH seal. Then they had to make a print-out of their digital fake so that they could allow some impressionable young naive female reporter (Susan Guthrie) to feel a seal on a paper print-out, thereby christening the fake as being a legitimate-appearing abstract of an original BC.

    • Posted April 9, 2013 at 2:16 am | Permalink | Reply

      I think Savannah Guthrie claimed to feel the seal as she was reporting right after the press gaggle. I’m not sure when or where she claimed to have taken the photos. That’s one area I haven’t investigated deeply. But Mark Gillar has done a nice job of explaining what the clipping mask shows regarding the relationship of Guthrie’s photos to the PDF.

      Mark, if you’re reading this, can you direct us to your analysis? My kids are trying to help me get to the office to work so I’m not up too late tonight, and they’re very good taskmasters; I better go. =)

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