The Latest Accusations

It’s a monster week for me so I’ll just briefly address the latest situation with Miss Tickly. At http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/answers/ Miss Tickly accuses me and others of being Obot frauds because we claimed to have legitimate certified copies of vital records that have debossed seals.

Miss Tickly and I have been friendly and helped each other research so my initial reaction last night was sadness, as was her reaction to the answers she believed proved me a fraud. She had contacted the Nebraska Dept of Health & Human Services and been told that they issue vital records with embossed – not debossed – seals. I could have told her that, because I received a birth certificate last August that had an embossed seal. But I also received vital records in 1993 and in 2005 that had debossed seals. I’ve posted photos of all those records on my blog today. I sent an e-mail to the DHHS today to ask whether their seal has changed from 1993 to 2011 and how I can prove that the certificates I received are legally certified.

The laws and rules in Hawaii say that certificates must be certified with a raised or embossed seal. Miss Tickly is an artist; to her, embossed is totally different than debossed. I always thought the big deal was just that the seal have 3-D relief to it. Is the legal definition for “raised” or “embossed” the same as the artistic definition? As far as I know the terms “raised” and “embossed” are not defined legally in either the statutes or rules, but whatever those terms mean legally, that is how we should be able to know whether a certificate is genuine rather than a forgery. Miss Tickly believes that the HDOH has affirmed the artistic definition, but as far as I know no legal authority has specifically said one way or another.

The statutes and rules also say that certificates need to display the OFFICAL seal of the HDOH, and though the Director of Health is given permission to reproduce the seal in different sizes on products that the HDOH uses, the OFFICIAL seal is specifically defined in the statute as being 2 ¼ inch in diameter. Can the “official seal” required to be displayed on a certificate be simply a different-sized reproduction of the official seal, or does it have to meet the definition for the legal seal – actually BE the official seal? Again, no legal authority has said one way or another.

So Miss Tickly and I have the same problem: we are looking to the statutes and rules to tell us how to tell the difference between a forged seal and an authentic one. Now that Miss Tickly has actually accused me online of committing a crime I should have standing to get some answers from both the Nebraska DHSS and from Nebraska’s attorney general regarding the legal significance of both the embossment v debossment issue and the size of the seal – although the statutes and rules in Nebraska are sure to be different than in Hawaii.

All along the courts have acted as if the shenanigans with Obama’s eligibility and documents cause no particularized injury to any one of us. But when you read Miss Tickly’s post and see that all the other eligibility researchers are being accused of crimes, you see that we ARE being harmed in very real ways. I’ve just been called a liar and a criminal. I don’t take it personally because I’m in the same boat as Miss Tickly: I have no way of knowing whether any of the other researchers are genuine or taking me for a ride. Miss Tickly’s post just shows the problem we have all faced – and that is that where there is lawlessness there is nobody we can really trust. These games that Obama has played are an assault on all of us, to keep us from being able to trust anybody and thus work together for the rule of law. Divided we fall. That’s what the refusal to give answers has done to us, and Miss Tickly is rightly disgusted with that – as I think we all are.

Though it hurt at first, making the public accusation against me is probably the best thing Miss Tickly could have done, because it means that I now have my own good name and reputation on the line – which is a legal reason for demanding answers. I’m not afraid to demand them because I know the documents I received are genuine. So hopefully now we can get some legal answers about how to recognize a genuine seal.

Even if we find out that either the embossment or size of the seal matters legally, there is another problem we face which makes this analysis a dead-end: Hawaii has broken its laws and rules in so many ways that even if we can show that the seal doesn’t obey the laws and rules, it still doesn’t prove that somebody besides the HDOH forged the deficiently-certified documents. I’ve spoken with a law enforcement official who said that as long as the HDOH certified all their records in a deficient way, a deficient certification doesn’t prove that any individual document is a forgery. Before we can prove a forgery based on a deficient certification we have to show that the HDOH routinely certified their records correctly and this or that individual record was anomalous and thus a forgery.

The only way to know whether the HDOH certified all their records in a deficient way is by finding out whether the deficiently-certified records are actually from the HDOH, or are forgeries. As long as the HDOH breaks the rules just as easily and often as they actually keep the rules – and as long as they refuse to document their procedures or to answer direct questions – there is no way to prove which copies are illegally-certified by the HDOH and which are forgeries.

In effect, because of the lawlessness of the HDOH we have no way of knowing what a genuine birth certificate even looks like. Which is the same as not even HAVING certified records, since nobody can tell a certified record from a fraud. The HDOH has introduced chaos as a way of life and by doing so they’ve destroyed any accountability that the law was supposed to have built into the system. They can certify documents however they want, they can refuse whatever documents they want, they can number documents however they want, they can destroy whatever documents they want…. Their lawlessness has sabotaged any semblance of accountability, the rule of law, and security for the people.

I believe the only way we are ever going to find out what genuine records exist for Obama, Virginia Sunahara, Stig Waidelich, Ah Nee, etc is by a criminal investigation which results in depositions, cross-examination, subpoena of supporting corroboration, and polygraph testing of many, many involved people as well as analysis of the computer transaction logs and complete vital records history for ALL of these people’s records, the original paper records including original indices, etc, and the microfilm copies from 1961 and random years.

The political establishment and media view this whole issue as having no casualties. But just like the Fast & Furious crimes had real casualties, so do these crimes. And if the politicians won’t file charges, maybe it’s time for civilians who HAVE suffered particularized damage to reputation, security, jobs, etc to do like Agent Brian Terry’s family did and step up to fill in the gap for the sake of justice.

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16 Comments

  1. Charlene
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 12:26 am | Permalink | Reply

    I am sure happy to read that you were able to find the commonality with Miss tickley again. I have followed you both for a long time and respect both of you for your dedication and intelligent insights. Don’t let the obvious efforts of the obot crazies tear you apart. Keep on the rightous path, soon we shall overcome! Absolute corruption in DC, Patriots such as you two are absolutely needed. Keep on keepin on!

  2. Posted February 20, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Permalink | Reply

    It’s such a challenge just getting to the TRUTH, and I think Obama likes it that way.

    I boil the whole thing down to this either/or/and…

    If the “Obama birth narrative” is 100% true, then he was born both a natural born subject of the British crown and a native born U.S. citizen… but not a natural born U.S. citizen. A person who was born after the adoption of the Constitution, and is not a natural born U.S. citizen, is not eligible to hold the office of President.

    If the “Obama birth narrative” is not 100% true, then it is possible that he was born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents, and therefore a natural born U.S. citizen, but if that is the case then he is also guilty of fraud, forgery, perjury, obstruction of justice, etc., and could be impeached for those high crimes and misdemeanors.

    Obama is either a usurper or fraud. (Or both). Either way, he should not be serving as President.

    • Posted February 20, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I think it’s in the Old Testament, speaking about the false prophets and/or those who refused to speak the truth – a question of how an army can know to fight if there is no clear battle cry.

      Obama’s thugs want us confused so that in our confusion we form a circular firing squad instead of being able to sound a clear, convincing battle cry. The easiest way to do that is to plant traitors amongst us. And I’m pretty sure they’ve done that although without access to genuine, accurate resources I have no way of knowing (or proving) exactly who those agents are (although I do have some suspicions). That’s why it is so critical to their success that they’ve also obfuscated, outright lied, altered documents, and refused to obey the laws at every turn.

      They are tearing at the very fabric that holds this country together, which serves a double, circular purpose: it damages the fabric so the fabric won’t hold firm against him and he can win/steal/coerce another election thereby gaining more power to damage the fabric…

      The Obama machinery knows there are a lot of people who love this country. That’s why they have to keep America deceived. Which is why they had to threaten the media companies about the eligibility issue both before and after the 2008 election. And based on the way they treated Glenn Beck, it seems like they have expanded that threat to include any exposure of the Soros communist-Islamist union that got Obama elected as Queen Bee so that their “worker bees” could take over all the regulatory agencies and the “czars” could supplant anybody who is supposed to be subject to Congressional approval (the whole checks and balances thing). Whatever threat they held over the media they can hold over ANYBODY, and that means this country is literally taken hostage. A fact which explains everything we’re seeing. And a fact that is increasingly harder for them to try to conceal, as people see one power grab after another while all the people who are supposed to be checking and balancing simply bow to Obama’s will instead.

      You are absolutely right that Obama is either a usurper or a criminal fraud. I believe he is both. But the biggest crime of all is that the system which was supposed to protect us has been taken hostage. I believe in a very concrete and specific way, on specific dates.

      • bvw
        Posted February 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

        “Obama is either a usurper or fraud. (Or both). Either way, he should not be serving as President.”

        True.

  3. Multisigma
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Permalink | Reply

    First, ongoing thanks for doggedly pursuing this issue. Once the citizens of this nation cease to believe in upholding the law simply because it becomes inconvenient or not expeditious to their immediate desires then we have essentially abandoned sovereignty. This upcoming election may indeed be a test of that will if basic conditions for qualification continue to be ignored.
    The legal trail involved in this issue has become a tangled and circuitous one, and it may be that the various individuals currently involved in litigation are a tad naive; in the Georgia case they apparently could have had a summary judgement had they so wished, but seemed to have chosen an approach that they hoped would result in exposure of documents. Instead, they were simply insulted by a judge who took the easiest way out and the media managed to bury the result. Perhaps winning any kind of court decision could help to elevate public awareness of the details of the subject?
    A recent editorial at American Thinker collects some good thoughts on the birthright citizenship concept and makes some interesting points:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/georgia_and_birthright_citizenship.html
    Perhaps if the larger topic of the refinement of citizenship qualifications could be broached – without specifically mentioning The One – this could filter up into public debate as a border-control issue and branch from there. At least, that might be an additional line of inquiry.
    Also, concerning your quest for eligibility documentation on BO, there is the haunting possibility that since he has lied about everything else, he may even be misrepresenting his lineage; it has always been bothersome that his grandfather regularly took him to visit “Frank” Davis during his formative years. Was this just because of the family’s affinity for Marxists, or could there be something deeper? If BO Sr. was not actually the sperm donor for his birth, that detail might be known at high level in both political parties- at least, that might explain the reluctance of high-level operatives of the GOP to use any of the identity fraud facts in any campaign thusfar, even by passing suggestions to third parties. In fact, I am sincerely hoping that such might be the case, because the alternative is to label them as complicit. In either case, I wonder whether you have amassed any information on Mr. Davis and his whereabouts at “critical times” of that era?
    Again, thank you for your dedication and perseverance. Looking forward to your further reporting.

    • Posted February 21, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I know there are people who have researched Frank Marshall Davis. Someone who might be able to direct you to some of the research is Fred Nerks at Free Republic. I haven’t delved into those issues myself, focusing instead on the lawlessness surrounding the legal documentation.

  4. bvw
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Permalink | Reply

    “believe the only way we are ever going to find out what genuine records exist for Obama, Virginia Sunahara, Stig Waidelich, Ah Nee, etc is by a criminal investigation which results in depositions, cross-examination, subpoena of supporting corroboration, and polygraph testing of many, many involved people as well as analysis of the computer transaction logs and complete vital records history for ALL of these people’s records, the original paper records including original indices, etc, and the microfilm copies from 1961 and random years.”

    The penalty of perjury, yes. The ability to access the actual records, yes.

    But in the end it will be insiders coming forward. And that almost certainly will happen. But it can be a very long time.

    • Posted February 22, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I believe they will only come forward when they know there will be real penalties if they don’t make a plea bargain. As long as they know the politicians will cover their behinds there is no reason to come forward.

      So the real issue in this and a multitude of other instances is whether we have ANY checks and balances, or whether corrupt politicians and their owners can seize the whole enchilada. It’s increasingly looking like they not only can, but actually have.

      • bvw
        Posted February 26, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

        Just for the record, Butterdezillion, I am happy to have you as a fellow citizen and truth-and-justice-seeker.

        I am a Freeper.

        I stand to say that there are no banned Freepers. ALL good men and women committed the Founding principles of America, to Liberty can become Freepers. Active membership at one particular website is a poor measure of a person’s Freeper-hood.

      • Posted February 26, 2012 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

        Yes, bvw. If I remember correctly, you are the one who clued me in to the psy-ops of sandbagging and oops I forgot the name of the other one – ah gaslighting. Matches everything we’ve seen and since then I’ve been watching the games that they play. I’m much more watchful than I used to be regarding psy-ops, and it’s been quite an education. I’m really glad you taught me about that. Thanks!

        And I agree that all of us who seek truth and justice, committed to America’s founding principles and to liberty, are on the same team. I pray that the Lord blesses our efforts and keeps us glad to have each other. =)

      • bvw
        Posted March 2, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

        bdz, on the “Arizona sheriff unveils Obama birth probe” (AP story) thread on FR you said

        “And this passes for journalism? I’d call it urinalism: pee on the targeted people as commanded.

        Time for the rest of us to flush it to where it belongs though.”

        I feel the same way about the tyranny of Zot that has created a ministry of fear on Free Republic.

  5. gorefan
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 5:03 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Hi Butter,

    I know you are not involved with the Sunahara case. But I thought you might be interested in this:

    ————————————————————————-
    Dean HaskinsFebruary 22, 2012 at 11:41 am (Quote)#

    [snip]

    “The back of the COLB is stamped,” so, when reading it from the back, the letters are normal (they are backward when viewing the front of the COLB). From the back view, looking at the normal-appearing letters, the stamp is DEbossed (sunken in, rather than raised).

    —————————————————————————-

    He is referring to Virginia Sunahara’s COLB that her brother Duncan received. And he is describing a debossed stamp.

    When Dr. Onaka’s stamp is on the back, you get a debossed seal. I suspect that when his stamp is on the front, you get an embossed seal. They do it so the raised part is always facing the vital statistic’s and the lettering in the seal always reads normally on the side with the registrar’s stamp.

    • Posted February 22, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Thanks for the info. I was not aware of that.

      That could well be true.

      Whether that conforms to their laws is another queston. But then they’ve never been too worried about obeying their own laws. And why should they, since there is nobody in Hawaii who can and will hold them accountable to the laws and rules? If the society gives you a blank signed check, it’s their own darn fault if you use it as you please, right?

      • gorefan
        Posted March 8, 2012 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

        Hi Butter, I hope all is well with you.

        With all the talk of the seal and debossed or embossed, I know there was an issue with the size fo the seal. But there is this,

        §11-1-2 Seal of the department of health.

        (c) The seal of the department of health may also be reproduced, in either an enlarged or a reduced size, on official stationery, reports, certificates, equipment, supplies, uniform insignia, and other objects and items to be used or produced by the department of health, but the reproduction and use of the seal shall always be subject to the exclusive control of the director of health. [Eff 2/14/2005 ] (Auth: HRS §§321-9, 91-2) (Imp:
        HRS §§321-9, 91-2)

        So they can make it whatever size they want on certificates.

        Have a good weekend.

  6. thinkwell
    Posted March 1, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Hi butterdezillion,

    I think you will find this article very interesting:

    http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2012/02/vital-records-indicate-obama-not-born_29.html

    If you do get a chance to read it and do find it comment-worthy, I sure would be interested in your take on it.

  7. Posted March 5, 2012 at 7:29 am | Permalink | Reply

    Butters (I know I shortened it), hang on in there. I have been following you for quite some time.

    This is an excellent summary of the situation that you have to endure.

    Just think, Australia has some of the same problems because we have an illegitimate Prime Minister.

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