Monthly Archives: February 2014

A Closer Look at Lang’s Photos

Re-UPDATE: Nope, the shadow on the roof doesn’t work in real life, as far as I can tell, based on experiments I did with a model door cut to match the dimensions on the computer image of the door from the Puentes image. More on that at https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2014/03/02/skip/

So it very much appears that Lang’s images of the plane are photoshopped.

The KHON2 News image  of a bent propeller and damaged cowling around the engine appears to be from a different plane. See https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/private/

And from the Google earth and bing images of Queens Hospital, there is question (still being sorted out) as to the genuineness of one news image claiming to be the USCG helicopter dropping off Kalaupapa victims directly on the Queens landing pad (Honolulu EMS said they picked up 2 in stable condition from the Honolulu airport; USCG told the media that they transported one directly to Queens). The link copying is a bit different so I hope I don’t mess this up too badly but I think the posts with the images and analysis start with Mikeultra’s post at http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread999641/pg19#pid17638877  and the next few posts after that, and combatmaster’s post at http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread999641/pg20#pid17647254 and the posts after that.

 

UPDATE: Scrutiny has served its purpose; the shadow of the open door on the roof of the plane shows that the door was upright to the extent that it only appears as a dark line. So there is a back window on this plane.  I was mistaken, and I appreciate those who pointed out the mistake. Especially those who did so in a classy way. =)

I still do not believe this is the same plane for several reasons. Let me repost the contrast-added close-up of Lang’s image, with annotations for comparative purposes:

Lang closeup w contrast annotated

Now let me post some annotated Puentes images (you’ll probably have to click on these to see very clearly) The front bump I have circled is a little fuzzy and may be something from the left wing but the other 2 are clear:

black shirt with MW1 annotated plane profile

Here’s an annotated version of Lang’s close-up showing the placement of the windows on that plane, based on the distances on the above image. When I created these jpegs to post I sized them so that the size of the windows on the Lang plane matched the size of the windows on the Puentes plane, for comparative purposes. That’s how it was on my computer when I looked; I’m not sure what size images show up when stuff gets posted. I lined up a ruler with the right sides of the windows so I could see where the bumps fall relative to the windows. Then I put an index card right below the two bumps and marked where each one began and ended. I made marks on the below image showing the length and placement of the bumps. The bump on the Lang image appears to be too large and placed wrongly. If the perspective makes that big a difference in size, then the perspective would also throw off the window sizes and 2 windows would likely not fit in the space between the wing and the door. And if my placement is off on the big bump and it really began where it does on Lang’s image then the front bump would be moved out of the shadow of the open door and should show up on the image.

Lang Photo analyzed

I posted some of the anomalies on Free Republic:

The bump on top isn’t square with the rest of the plane, its shadow is at a different angle than either the open door or the registration letters (so we’ve got at least 3 different shadow angles that I can see), and it is in the wrong place for how the 2 bumps are supposed to fall. So it’s not even just a matter of the 2nd bump not showing – not only does the 2nd bump not show, the bump that does show is in the wrong place.

The bump where the tail attaches is not centered.

The “turbulence” spills over onto parts of the plane that aren’t supposed to be in the water: on the plane’s left side where the tail attaches, there is what is supposed to be shadow but as it approaches the horizontal part of the tail (which is supposed to be sticking up out of the water) the shadow gradually evolves into “turbulence like somebody C&P’ed a patch of “turbulence” there and wasn’t sure when to have the shadow end and the “turbulence” begin. On the plane’s right tailpiece, where the cylindrical shape at the end is (strobe light?), the “turbulence” creeps into the cylindrical shape there.

There is a very square patch of turbulence that aligns with the dark strip on the vertical part of the tailpiece, even though there would be nothing there to cause that turbulence. I printed this photo out so I could do some measuring and it immediately leaped out at me how square the “turbulence” is there.

On the left side of the fuselage, to the aft of the wing, there is a rounded lip as if to make a contour around the window frame, but on Puentes’ photos it is perfectly smooth – no lip at all. And a rounded line in the equivalent place on the right side is also there.

The cabin of the plane just disappears suddenly after the wings which are clear as can be. There’s a blur after a bit but if you trace the body of the plane there is a place where there is the very clear wing, followed by nothing, followed by haze that is supposed to be the submerged nose. There’s not a gradual fading of the clarity because of the water’s depth; there is a sudden spot where there’s nothing.

The 3 black dots between the window and the door are odd, and the front one of those actually falls where the frame of the window should be.

There is shadow on the sun side of where the tailpiece attaches to the body of the plane, on the plane’s right side. The only thing that could possibly make that shadow is the plane’s right side of the horizontal tailpiece but in order for that to make that shadow the sun would have to be lower on the horizon than that horizontal tailpiece – a very difficult thing to do given that the “turbulence” reaches into the end piece of that horizontal tailpiece. And according to the NTSB the plane sank after 25 minutes, so before 4pm. The Puentes video shows a sun high in the sky rather than low on the horizon.

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It’s harder to see with the granularity of the computer image, but when I printed out the image it was really easy to see how the “turbulence” sneaks into the plane’s right tailpiece (shows on our left). I don’t know how to make the image bigger in WordPress. You’ll probably have to click on the image to see it enlarged. Or just look closely at the original Lang photo enlarged (click on the photo of it on this post). Look very, very closely at the turbulence – in all areas – on this image (click to enlarge, I think):

turbulence 2

static wicks

Some have said they believe that Lang’s image shows a tail number with MA at the end. If you measure in the below photo you find that the letters are almost exactly as tall as the aft side of the back window, whereas the shadow in that area of the Lang photo is about half as tall as that end of the aft window. So if there were letters there that belonged to N687MA, the letters would have to be half in the shadow and half above the shadow.

letters as tall as trailing height of back window

A Freeper was kind enough to post an aerial view of the airport and shoreline where the crash took place. (Thanks, Ray76!) I’ve annotated some images so you can see that – in spite of the difference in perspective – yes, one of Lang’s photos is of the area where the crash occurred:

Kalaupapa shoreline annotated lighthouseLang photo annotated

I spent some time analyzing the images because most of the time it seems that the plane’s wings were perpendicular to the shore, not parallel as shown in Lang’s images. But there were a few of Puentes’ images that contradicted the rest. Some images of him on the wing showed the lighthouse far off to the side of the wing, and some showed the lighthouse showing right over the top of the wing. The only way I can reconcile those images is if the plane itself was rotating in the water. So there are just too many variables to be able to say anything with certainty regarding the position of the plane itself.

That being said, there is one image of Lang’s that I cannot reconcile with his other images. The Kalaupapa Airport has been upgraded over the years to lengthen the runway and to deal with the erosion that was jeopardizing the integrity of the runway. Eventually rocks were added to try to prevent erosion. The dark border around the shoreline is where the rocks were added to reinforce the shoreline. Inside that border there are some sandy patches. There is the runway and the airport,  and after that there is grass. At least that’s how it looks to me. And you see that Lang’s image has the plane down in the water between points B and C.

Well, here is the image that I can’t reconcile with all that:

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/slideshow?widgetid=99139

Lang image grassy area

It’s taken at a distance similar to his other photo (based on the size of the plane) so the land features should be similar in size, but I do not see how that could be the same place as he had the plane in the other photo.  There’s a very thin line of rocks and then grass. No sandy area, no runway.

UPDATE: A freeper has reconciled the images. The airport and runway are there, at the far left in the image. You just have to zoom in a lot to see them. His analysis shows that the plane in these images drifted between the time the images were taken. So that question is answered.

So. These are some of the things that don’t smell right. There are also discrepancies with Puentes’ and Lang’s accounts – such as Jacob Key pointing at what is claimed to be Lang’s plane while Jacob was still sitting on the wing but Puentes in his narrative describes Lang’s plane as appearing about 10 minutes after the landing when Puentes had already drifted so far away from the plane that the plane can’t even be discerned as a plane in the selfie he took withthe plane behind him. He said that was the drifting after 3 minutes.

And there is the problem of the navy plane that DOH’s Kalaupapa administrator, Mark Miller, claimed was doing touch-and-goes in the area – that is claimed to have put down smoke flares to show rescuers where the victims were.  Lang said he left the area when a navy helicopter arrived at around 4:30, and there is a later image of one being there, but helicopters don’t do touch-and-goes.  Miller could have mistaken Lang’s continuous swooping close to the water for touch-and-goes.  If so, it is odd that Puentes’ video didn’t catch any of that activity going on around them. The video is very, very highly edited, and if a plane continuously swooping low enough to be mistaken for touch-and-goes didn’t appear on the video it makes a person wonder what else might not have made it onto that video – especially given that extra things/people are showing up in the water in the video footage we are able to see.

And a person wonders why a navy helicopter had come there. The USCG was already sending 2 helicopters, a plane, a cutter, and a boat. One of the USCG personnel told the media that the hardest part of the rescue was keeping the rescuers from hitting each other, with at least 6 planes in the air at a time during the rescue. Maui County Fire Dept had one helicopter that rescued 5 people.  USCG had 2 helicopters that pulled 3 out of the water: the 73-year-old woman, Kawasaki,  the 70-yr-old man, and Fuddy ….(according to the media reports) (Yes, I know that’s 4…) USCG also had a bigger plane that wasn’t involved in rescuing anybody but we’ll count them anyway. We know there was a navy helicopter that also didn’t rescue anybody, according to the numbers given by the NTSB and MCFD.  Lang said he was already gone by then. So we’ve got 3 helicopters doing rescue, one helicopter not doing rescue, and one plane not doing rescue. What other planes were there, to get to “at least 6”?

The discrepancies, together with what is showing up in the water, raise serious questions.

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Josh Lang provided photos to the media that he said he took when he saw the Cessna in the water off Kalaupapa on Dec 11, 2013. His photos can be seen at  http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/slideshow?widgetid=99139  Here are a couple of the photos he posted:

I got to thinking how there aren’t any life jackets showing in the water anywhere. I wondered how these could be the same plane – especially since in the “Nightline” clip Jacob Key was sitting on the wing pointing to all the other passengers at Lang’s plane coming in the distance. Yet in Lang’s photos nobody is to be seen anywhere for quite some distance.

So I looked a little closer at Lang’s last, closer photo of the plane:

Lang photo closer no window behind door

And then I compared it to the images from the ABC video:

18 cushion thrown

Here’s a larger photo so you can look closely but you’ll have to right-click on it to see the whole thing, I bet:

Lang photo closer no window bigger

The Cessna that crashed with Fuddy on board had a window between the door and the tail. Lang’s photo doesn’t have a window. It appears that Lang provided photos of a different plane and claimed it was of this plane. No wonder Puentes’ video didn’t match Lang’s photos!

Why would Josh Lang do that?

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Some More Images

Here’s another annotation for #26, simulating the body position required for the yellow oval to be the bottom of Fuddy’s shoe sole:

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UPDATE: I’ve added close-ups and annotation to help unpack these images. AARGH. This format gives hardly any room. You’ll have to right-click to see the images enlarged. If you believe that the black/yellow protrusion from the water is Loretta Fuddy’s shoe, ask yourself on #25 and #26 how she would have to be positioned to have the bottom or her sole at that angle. Then try making that angle with your body. lol

These ones are the frames that came right after the photos I posted at https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/extras/   Image #16 was at 16:39:20 in my 1/8th speed recording of “Good Morning America” (this will be off from yours if you put the GMA pixelated video into Windows Movie Maker and slow it to 1/8th speed because we skipped part of the ABC announcer at the beginning.) Images #17 and #18 were close-ups, and #19 is the summary of the passengers according to media reports. Yamamoto should be corrected to say dark SHORTS (not pants) and bare feet; Fuddy should be corrected to say black shoes with white soles.

So these are the images that come next, and can help everyone double-check their theories on the answers to my 2 questions.There’s new stuff here.

These are screenshots of every frame, which will also tell you a little bit about what ABC and/or Puentes did with the unedited video.  Keep in mind that the editors at ABC were able to see what was on these frames before they put their logo where it is.

The name of the image file for each photo tells you at what timestamp it was taken.

I’ll insert Image #16 from before, so you can remember where we left off:

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Extras

These are uploads of the images in the Youtube posted at    http://youtu.be/nvn8iPE4l-8       .

ABC refused permission for me to post the unedited Bandicam recordings which would simply have archived what was available on Feb 9th. The only time these files were saved on archive.org was on Feb 21 – the day after ABC pixelated them.

To see ABC’s pixelated versions see:

the GMA mp4 at http://ondemand.abcnews.com/playback/abcnews/140110_gma_crash_0731_700.mp4 

and the “Nightline” mp4 at   http://ondemand.abcnews.com/playback/abcnews/140111_ntl_mayday_1240_700.mp4 

The two questions I ask:

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Passengers

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UPDATE: Somebody in a position of power at Free Republic apparently doesn’t want me to be able to post. Here’s a screenshot. OK I guess it needs to be a photo:

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Yaelle, here’s the image I was saying I would post, in the comment that the moderator is deciding whether it should be posted. Seems to me that this is Yamamoto, in dark gray shirt, dark short pants/swim trunks, and bare feet:

yamamoto in cage maybe brightened

 

Correction to what I had previously said at FR: Fuddy’s shoes were black with white soles. I apologize for the error. Still doesn’t give us yellow:

Fuddy shoes

Somebody in a position of power at Free Republic also doesn’t want me to communicate with my ping list, or anybody else. Here’s a screenshot of when I tried to compose a Freepmail to my ping list to let them know my comments are being moderated. OK looks like WordPress isn’t going to allow a screenshot so here’s a photo:

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Sidetracks

I don’t have time to deal with all the side issues that have been brought up but I know if I don’t let posters have the last word I’ll be accused of censoring. So I’m just going to C&P the comments submitted (except one that was asked to be private), and let you guys talk it out at your own place. If I didn’t have other things to do I’d happily duke it out with you (especially those who seem open to civil discussion) – show you my sources and respond to what you’ve said, most of which I’ve responded to in other places already – but more pressing things are calling me.  I will admit that I haven’t taken the time to read everything Zola wrote.

I’ll just copy them how they arrived in my inbox:

Trevor Bayliss commented on Threats

So,

Let’s start with Ye Older Heart Attack Dart shall we..?

Now according to you BZ, Breitbart was murdered with one, using Pottasium Chloride, as he was about to reveal something or other about Obamas birth certificate

Now, in the real world, Breitbart had described Birthers as delusional, refused to accept any of their premises and never published any of their stuff. So, since that would kinda make him the regimes non birther (Indirect proof I believe you like to say) then it was in the regimes interest to keep him alive.

Next we have the Pottasium Chloride (KCl) dart o’death.

So, how much KCl does it take to kill someone? Well as it happens there is an exact number, 35 mg per Kg. Breitbarts, as per the autopsy report weighed 251 lbs which is 114 kg. Simple math, the minimum amount necessary would be…..4 teams

Well, surely that is a teeny weeny amount, again with boring old mathematics. The density of pure KCl is 1.984 gm per cubic cm which means the minimum amount is 2 cubic cm. So, to kill Breitbart we have to drop a total of 2 cm2 into his bloodstream

All in agreement so far I trust..?

Of course that ignores the boring and mundane matter that it has to be in his bloodstream for a quick kill as if it hits fat or muscle it will take a considerable amount of time to leach into the bloodstream so he wouldn’t have just dropped dead, as witnessed by individuals.

So, just how big is this dart bearing in mind it has to leave, at most, as you stated “a small red mark”……Again with boring old sums

To make a “small red mark” you need a small diameter dart so no wider, at its widest than 1mm. Since it is a “dart” and has to be at least marginally aerodynamic that makes it either a cylinder or a cone . Anything else will have the flight characteristics of a drunken sloth.

Well here’s a bit of a problem…..if we have a diameter of 1 mm and a volume of 2000 cubic mm then the cylinder is 20 cm long , just short of 8 inches long

It’s even worse with the cone, a cone with a base of 1mm dia would have to be 76 cm or 30 inches long.

Somehow methinks that a dart between 8 and 30 inches in length is going to be fairly obvious to even the meanest of intellects.

See, BZ this is what happens when you start with a completely insane conclusion and then try and shoehorn “facts” that meet you prejudices into the conclusion.

Same with all your other “research”, you start with the conclusion then work backwards.. Fuddy dies in a plane accident therefore it must be a deliberate murder by the regime, ergo the “facts” must be made up to fit the conclusion.

Then look at your latest bucket of fail. Working from you personal need that Fuddy was murdered by Obama, it therefore must follow that the funeral is fake, so when you can’t make the facts conform go the personal belief there must therefore be a conspiracy to suppress your truth.

BZ,for the sake of your sanity, your family and soul, step away from the keyboard, focus on the precepts of Christianity and try to live a real life, not this fantasy of the doughty investigator uncovering the secrets of the evil satanic regime.

Suranis commented on Threats

“Egypt will be having a trial soon, ”

What trial

“and we’ve been told”

By whom

” that part of it will be about Obama’s use of taxpayer dollars to incite violence against the newly-elected government”

And a google search for that turns up bubkis. Apart from a WND article my Jerome Corsi, the same guy whi tried to have us believe that a gold ring Your President wears, consisting of a simpile design of lines, was actually Arabic script based on an out of focus picture..

And, stunningly, the “newly elected government” refereed to would have been the government of the Muslim Brotherhood.

So all you have is all very vague stuff with absolutely no evidence to back it up

And you do know that the new government of Egypt contains parties that are more extreme than the Brotherhood, right, and whom are actively pushing for the implementation of Sharia law, right?

“We’ll see what evidence turns up,”

Meaning you don’t have any.

“and $6 billion paid to Morsi’s regime to get Hamas to terrorize and kill Egyptians and take over in the part of Egypt nearest Israel. ”

That neatly explains why Israel awarded Obama the Presidential medal for protecting Isreal because Mossad which is in the area would have no idea about all that at all but some Housewife in the middle of nowhere does because she cant work her computer right and one of her car leads broke due to lack of proper maintenance.

And STUNNINGLY Mubarak received the same amount of Aid from The Obama regime, and the Bush regime and and and. Egypt has been receiving taxpayers money from America for decades, but if only became SINISTER under The Democrat. That’s the big lie, that the normal aid routinely given to Egypt was actually SINISTER aid given directly to the Brotherhood.

“Normal Egyptians had lived freely enough under Mubarak that they knew they didn’t want the kind of government that Obama’s pals were up to.”

Sure, that explains why they revolted against Mubarak and voted in the Brotherhood in a democratic election.

Girl, you don’t have the first damn clue about international events and you don’t know ANYTHING about Egypt. That’s why you completely ignored me pointing out that Israel had actually honoured Obama’s efforts to protect Israel. It completely blows your narrative to pieces. Your whole worldview is a lie and and the sad thing is that you know it. You just want to invent reasons to hate your President.

Who isn’t a Muslim. And Sharia Law does NOT include Health insurance reform, by the way.

You also ignored me rubbishing your claims about MANPADS, that the evil plan to make Libya an Islamic state would have had to have been a plan of the entire world and not Obama.

And the fact that Obama wrote the NDAA out of existence.

Which basically means that you believe this Bullcrap because you want to believe it. You know not very deep down that its all a lie, you just cant bear to face it for whatever reason.

Israel, which really exists right beside Egypt and really has an entire intelligence service dedicated to finding threats to Israel, honoured Obama for his efforts to protect it. That alone means that your narrative from the intelligence abilities of a housewife who cant work a computer and who lives in the middle of nowhere, America, is dead as a doornail.

Now do what your husband is telling you to do and get help.

euphgeek commented on Threats

I suggest you read David Limbaugh’s latest book, from what I’ve heard.

Really? A partisan book written by Rush’s brother? That would be like me telling you to read a book by Che Guevara for proof that Marxism works.

…In the few days after that Bush was speaking in apocalyptic terms. Somebody had scared the living tar out of him, and it all started the same day as McCain was ready to give up his campaign.

You’re giving George Soros way too much credit. And by “way too much,” I mean “any”. You’re suggesting that he is more powerful than the U.S. government, the Bush administration and all of Wall Street put together. It simply sounds too ridiculous to be even halfway believable outside of a John Grisham novel.

…Bear in mind that Soros has said that he owns the democratic party; he has bought and paid for it; it is “mine” (he says). And he has sworn to destroy America and capitalism.

I’d like to see a source for that quote. The only thing I could find was that an RNC spokeswoman said that about him in 2004, but no quote directly from Soros. Besides, even if he did say that, it doesn’t make it true.

…what would you do?

I would think I had just been handed the story of the century on a silver platter. There’s absolutely no way one rich liberal can keep all those people quiet.

The Hillary people say they’ve been threatened.

Who, exactly? Who did they say it to? An anonymous quote is not credible.

They say that Bill Clinton’s good friend, head of the Arkansas Democratic Party Bill Gwatney, was shot dead…

Who is “they”? None of what you’re saying so far makes any sense or has any credibility.

The day after she died Phil Berg, a Hillary supporter, filed suit against Obama and the DNC, saying that as a democrat who had invested in the party he had a right to an ELIGIBLE candidate.

Remember, this is the same Phil Berg who thinks President Bush planned 9/11. He has absolutely zero credibility.

And they say the Clintons gave up when Chelsea’s life was threatened.

There’s that elusive “they” again.

If you’re even THINKING of voting for Hillary in 2016 then you might think twice about calling her inner core a bunch of “crazy birthers”.

I have no problem criticizing anyone on my side who comes up with insane conspiracy theories. If Hillary hires birthers, her judgment is in question and she should not be president.

The spying that is going on right now is at levels never seen before, on ordinary people.

Not true. That’s just what Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald want you to think. Are you sure you want to side with Greenwald?

Yet when we had a Saudi “person of interest” who the CIA had labeled as a “known terrorist” in the hospital and searched his apartment and brought out a bunch of stuff

Evidence? What “bunch of stuff” was brought out? Remember, Richard Jewell was also a “person of interest”.

I get more and more angry when I think about all the lawlessness. If you can’t see it, maybe you’re not looking very closely.

Or maybe you’re looking too closely at things that just aren’t there.

zola commented on I did not lie about Microsoft Word – UPDATED

Well you did fess up – good for you. Basking in the glory of comments praising you for something you were forced into. Maybe God will forgive your lying, nobody reading this blog will.. It’s a shame you couldn’t resist taking all the credit for exposing the error – whereas in fact we here all know you only did it because you were forced to. And you still havent had the good character to admit to anyone that the threats from Microsoft were actually standard error messages. (I know it’s really embarrassing – but you started it so you have to finsih it! In the future, don’t make such outlandish claims.)

Could you please make it clear in the comments on FR that you were wrong about Microsoft too – and Obots pointed that out to you.

Now I note that in the FR comments you are still trying to claim there is something amiss, despite every one of your issues having a much more reasonable expaplanantion than conspiracy. So if you are still insisting that Fuddy was not dead in that casket, then you are STILL accusing hundreds of innocent people of lying, including Fuddy’s grieveing family and friends. That is despicable and must stop now.

Just imagine if the child that you have admitted you have allowed to become super morbidly obese under your care (tut tut Nellie), dies in his 50’s of heart disease, and people examine footage of his funeral, including you mourning over his casket – and then you are accused of treason on nothing more than an idiot with zero expertise who doesn’t understand how shadows on fabric work? Sounds outrageous and it is – but that is exactly what you have done, even after having your dozens of mistakes in your analysis pointed out to you over and over again, only for those debunkers to become part of your conspiracy. And I can’t have that – as long as you are accusing innocent people of heinous crimes, I will be here mocking you.. So lets see an apology that explains how everything you claimed was wrong, and the Obots patiently explained it to you until it got into that thick head of your.

zola commented on Threats

Euphgeek – now do you understand how attempts to reason with Butternutt are pointless? You just get reams of even nuttier stuff. It’s how she wins arguments – she smothers people to the point that they give up.. You may think I am being unkind to Butter, but I have stood by and said nothing as she libels literally thousand of people – and I’ve had enough.

She has upset the berieved family of an honest and well loved public servant, that she had previoulsy accused of lying, fraud and treason, and who should be executed for her crimes. I kid you not.. Nice, eh? And she just wont stop. She clothes herself in her religion and thinks that makes her morally superior, whereas I think she is one of the worst people I have come across in many years of net debunking. The onluy thing one can say in her defence is that sghe truly believes the nonsense.

zola commented on I did not lie about Microsoft Word – UPDATED

Butter, you have frequently called for public officials to be hanged for treason. When you are innocent, being hanged amounts to murder. So yes, you have called for the murder of hundreds of innocent people, including your President. That is sedition.

Now that you have, no doubt cleverly in your own mind, found a reason to stop posting my comments, it’s going to get messier. The trouble for you is that it is now very obvious what information you are afraid of publishing, but of course I can publish all of it including your responses elsewhere. See how that works? You may find it less humiliating to show them here than in the highly visible blogs that I could post it all. You have about 70 readers – wonkette has millions. You will no doubt consider this a threat – I consider it telling you what I will do if you continue to deceive. Stop your wrong doing, and I will stop calling you out on it. Simples.

zola commented on I did not lie about Microsoft Word – UPDATED

“Having the sheathing on the wiring cut is much more serious than vandalism. There were sparks near the engine and that van could easily have exploded. Fatally.”

Ok ,here you are making more absurd claims. In your research, did you find out how many people replace these similar wires each year on similarly aged vehicles? Is it more than a thousand, more than a million? Are they all targetted by the remime too? If you don’t know the answers to these questions, then it just shows you have jumped to conclusions without doing any proper research. Or is it possible a very common fault occurred with your vehicle? You are now accusing people of trying to murder you and your family. Where is your evidence that the wires were cut and not just frayed, and where is your evidence that Obama is responsible? Got none? No photos even? Didn’t think so.

vivisectus commented on I did not lie about Microsoft Word – UPDATED

Look, you seem to be putting the cart before the horse. You did not get it wrong because of anything NOT working. You were using the wrong method, the wrong tools, and then *changed the size of the images yourself*.

There would have been absolutely no *reason* to hack your computer in the first place!

But then again, what on earth was this whole exercise supposed to prove? That Fuddy is not dead? Or that they swapped the body? But why would anyone want to do that? What were you hoping to achieve, exactly?

If I was some government spook, watching you do this on my little terminal, I would positively want to encourage you to keep going. I would certainly not harm your computer or slow you down in any way: I cannot think of a better way to discredit the whole birther movement than to make sure you can spread this “research” far and wide!

Which, of course, brings us to the wonderfully ironic result of this whole debacle:

It is entirely possible that somewhere, some poor paranoid birther/freeper is now convinced you are in fact working for the government!

zola commented on I did not lie about Microsoft Word – UPDATED

I have an idea. Give us your best single piece of evidence for your theory – and we’ll debunk it on wonkette within 24 hours. Go on, if you’re that sure – give it your best shot. One single piece of evidence that would be admissable in a court. What are you afraid of?

John Wilson commented on The Hands Photographed Cannot be Loretta Fuddy in That Casket

“I know some things that you don’t about what happened out there in the ocean and what the people who were there know about it.”

Sure you do.

zola commented on Threats

You want to explain all the other people laughing their heads off on Fogbow about your threatening comment then?

And like I said, I’ll be coming over to the states after the HUUUUUGE CCCP reveal in March. Arrest me.

Me too Suranis. I’m in the US 3 or 4 times a year – let’s do a public debate with Nellie at the location of her proving. I’l pay all our airfares and hotels – please, please make it NY ? We’ll bring our lawyers and IT experts, and she can bring her list of facts indirectly confirmed by a murdered public official. Who do you think will win?

WoodchuckRN commented on I did not lie about Microsoft Word – UPDATED

“The sheathing on my husband’s car was cut the day after I was put into contact with Lt Col Terry Lakin’s defense team, to help overcome the presumption of regularity by bringing forward examples of HDOH wrong-doing such as Sunahara’s birth not being in their computer records even though her name was in the birth index, and the altered 1960-64 birth index – something that would only be known to somebody who had access to my emails and/or phone calls. About a week later a trojan totally destroyed my daughter’s hard drive which I was working on because my own computer was freezing up constantly even though the CPU usage was right around 0%.”

I hear you; the timing seemed significant. But here’s the thing; for years you’ve been as invested in the birther movement as anyone, almost 24/7, like others observed….heck, as you’ve observed yourself at times. Chances are there are few days over the years since 2008 that you WEREN’T working on something significant-seeming or feeling issue or whatnot, whether it eventually amounted to anything or not. That’s just to say that your intense involvement in this movement is a setup for experiencing ‘confirmation bias.’ Meaning your daily involvement enables you to easily construe any inconvenient, untoward, or God-forbid dangerous event that’s since surfaced in your life (which happens to all of us – I just had a gas leak over the weekend, and last September a 46 yo friend died in his home of radon poisoning) as coincidental to something you’re working on. I bet you’ve experienced little down-time from this project over the years. Assuming what you believe were true, what’s in fact miraculous is the reality that you seem to continue leading a pretty safe, health & unfettered life, posting, blogging, emailing – the picture of pursuing your own version of life, liberty and happiness, as it were. My impression is that your experience manifests as much as anything our continued right to free speech, however much it offends, criticizes, and impugns the leaders in charge. To me that’s a beautiful thing, and should I perceive any threat to your right to exercise that, I’d fight it, too. But I’m sorry, I just don’t.

WoodchuckRN commented on Threats

I’m sorry, but James O’Keefe is not a person of integrity.

Regarding being on the DOJ’s ‘radar,’ his only contact resulted from entering a Federal building under false pretenses, for which he was arrested and plead guilty to a single misdemeanor count. For that he got slapped on the wrist with a years’ probation, 100 hours of community service, and a $1,500 fine. That’s basically the sentence first-time drunk drivers get.

Second, he outfitted a boat outside his Maryland home with sex toys and porn, dubbing it ‘The Pleasure Palace’ in hopes of seducing or punking a CNN reporter. That’s not the behavior of someone with integrity, much less a reputable journalism career.

Andrew Breibart I disagree with but respected….James O’Keefe, sorry, no way.

WoodchuckRN commented on Threats

Let’s be fair. George Soros claimed he was God in the same sense & spirit others claimed you said you would murder your own children, both of which are ridiculous. Look at the context of the original quote, which is from The Alchemy of Finance, published in 1987, in which he said, “I have always harboured an exaggerated view of my self-importance…to put it bluntly, I fancied myself as some kind of god or an economic reformer like Keynes, or, even better, like Einstein.” Soros’ reference to ‘a god’ was a figurative, not literal, expression. That it was not capitalized underscores this. Let’s not cast hyperbolic aspersions upon one another; they only inflame constructive dialogue.

 

 

Threats

There is one poster who is Hell-bent on claiming that I have been lying and that I have been trying to humiliate and libel Fuddy, Microsoft, etc. I have made observations. I probably should not have said that Microsoft was busted because further things later showed up that suggested it might not have been Microsoft that compromised my Word program. And now I’m trying to figure out what Microsoft’s message to me indicates. I don’t know what’s going on. I know that somebody was messing with me in real time yesterday morning. I know that Word’s rotate function was screwed up for one session only and that Microsoft was not allowing me to exit that session until I agreed to leave the stuff I was working on in that session unrecovered. And I know that “Zola” is making threats. Large, blustery threats.

Previously she said,  amongst other things:

“In fact I think I might make it my life’s work to expose all your lies – starting with revealing this comment thread on FR If you don’t fess up that you have been caught making stuff up again and there is not a single iota of truth in either your allegations about your computer or the death of Fuddy. And I have my IT debt working on a total debunking of your Microsoft tosh – with visuals. Gonna be very, very humiliating for you if I get there first Nellie.”

How are you going to get “visuals”, Zola, without breaking into my computer?

Now this morning she also wants to say:

 

zola commented on I did not lie about Microsoft Word – UPDATED

Don’t be such an idiot Nellie – if Microsoft confirmed that to you lets see the email or hear the telecon. No – what they sent was a standard computer generated error message because you manage to screw up the whole thing by resizing the photo in the first place. Show me or I expose you. Hop to it Nellie.

You have a very old computer with even older software – now you’ve shown “screenshots” (seriously — photos of the screen????!!!! lol) it’s perfectly obvious you have a majorly screwed up PS because you are an IT moron. And yet you are still insisting to people that know 1000 times more than you how these things work, that you have been targetted by the regime to screw up your Word images and ruin your credilbility!!!!!!

It’s so laughable. It’s clear from those shots that some of your software is no longer working and you need to get your shit together. Stop blaming stuff on microsoft and admit you are just someone with a crap computer and an agenda that doesn’t understand what it does. Retract your accusation against Microsoft and Loretta Fuddy now, or your humiliation will eventually reach millions more.The 3 million figure was mine not Wonkettes’ – here you go again making stuff up – did they indiretly confirm it to you? – Actually it’s probably much more that 3 million – Wonkette’s readership is huge.

And finally – how DARE you accuse someone of libelling you – when you have lied and libelled literally thousands of others, including the dead and recently bereaved. Do you simply not see that you have done over and over again what you accuse others of?

Accuse me of libel again and you will be extremely sorry at what you have started – I am very well resourced, have masses of free time, and am outside your jurisdiction, I also have two verty talented barristers in the immediate family that would enjoy a vacation in the US. Would make for a fun case – in fact you have libelled so many people maybe it’s time we started fighting back.. You do have a legal defense fund don;t you Nellie? Or maybe the church will bail you out when you lose your house.

I wonder how many of your acquaintances will be shocked to hear in open court your lunatic screeds on FR. It’s all unravellng Nellie, and you can’t hide from your words – we’ve saved them all on real screen shots!!!. Remember when you said you would rather kill your children then have them live under this regime? Yeah – child services were a bit shocked by that. Kill your kids rather than accept reduced cost healthcare – yeah you’re not delusional at all!! Just a liar.

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Did you catch that? She is threatening to take away my house. Fogbowers, some of you are already set to be in trouble with law enforcement through the Cold Case Posse. If you don’t tolerate these kinds of threats, then talk to this woman and let her know she’s revealing a very ugly side of your team.

I am making observations and trying to figure out how it all fits together. Just like other posters here have been trying quite reasonably to do – on the Fuddy casket issue as well as on the Microsoft stuff. I am a computer moron. I know how to do the basic functions in Word and other places but I don’t know how viruses, Microsoft, or the NSA work. What I do know is that what has happened is not normal. I have no ability to produce Microsoft error messages, requests to diagnose my problems, or processing and results screens for Microsoft Diagnostics. The fact that all those things happened right after I said my Word program was corrupted shows that yes, something was going on at the time I said it was. Every reasonable person – including those who disagree with my conclusions – knows that to be the case.

I don’t videotape myself while I am on the computer so I have no way of proving that the problems Microsoft says I had were the rotate function. Zola has even less evidence that I am lying about ANYTHING and it doesn’t seem to stop her from threatening to take away my house because of legal expenses that she can afford and I cannot. That’s how the rich control the poor – it’s a very Islamist, leftist, and/or scientologist way of doing things according to past history. A good way to stifle genuine inquiry. Watch out, Raicha – Zola may steal your house by forcing you to pay legal expenses she can afford but not you, simply because you have the audacity to…. gasp!  make observations and try to sort things out

I cannot prove that the rotate function was corrupted because that evidence is gone. But I would swear on a stack of Bibles and take polygraph tests until I am blue in the face that I always use the corner arrow to enlarge photos and did that on Wednesday, both when I calculated how Fuddy’s body would line up with the protrusions from the Diocese image AND when I took Raicha’s advice and by using the whole body image (which would only fit on the page vertically and thus did not involve the rotate function) figured out what had happened – by observing it happen in real time. At that point I was more concerned with publicly correcting my erroneous conclusion than with proving to the world that I didn’t lie.  It was only after Zola immediately assumed that I had lied – and publicly accused me of doing so – that I addressed that issue, and by that time Word was already in an infinite loop disallowing me from going back to the session where the corruption occurred  so that I could hit the back arrow and videotape exactly what I had done, by using the forward arrows for all to see.

Just to settle the record, I know this is a fallacy on Fogbow, but I have never said that I would kill my children to keep them from this regime. What I said was that Scripture says things are going to get really, really bad on earth before the end, and sometimes I wonder if it would be better for me and my children to be gone before that hits – but that it is God’s call as to who will be on earth when the very worst stuff happens. My children have asked me if suicide is acceptable to avoid persecution and I told them no – that we would trust God to the very end.

Of course, those who belong to the two beasts and the dragon in the end times won’t really have to worry about any of that so I don’t expect them to have any clue what I’m talking about. Don’t worry, I won’t sue you for libel over that, Fogbowers, because I can see how you misinterpreted that.

I was wrong to say that it was Microsoft who hit my computer; I don’t know who it was who hit my computer. It could be Microsoft or any number of other entities, and I don’t know which one. I do know that this particular corruption applied to only one session of Word and serves the purpose of those who wish to smear me before I come forward with very dangerous information. I know Zola is leading the charge to make sure I am still smeared even after the computer issues have been publicly documented and I know that she threatened to use visuals to prove something that never happened. I also know that somebody was messing with me in real time yesterday when they posted into my edit screen an image from my administrative page on a computer that could not have been the computer I used to approve that comment – which just happened to be….Zola’s comment.

I was wrong to say that Fuddy’s body would not fit in that casket; I very publicly and profusely apologized when I realized that my conclusion was in error, and thanked Raicha for pointing it out because the truth matters.

I was not wrong to say that the palls don’t match. I was not wrong to say that KITV edited the images, although the image experts I have since spoken with say it may be that 2 cameras were set up side by side so the photoshop on the KITV video (and they do say it was a photoshop) was probably not taken from the KHON video but from KITV’s own camera.

I have made no claims regarding Fuddy herself or her family. My question has been whether there was really an open-casket funeral with Fuddy’s body inside the casket. I have been looking at the evidence, as have other posters here and elsewhere.

What really stands out here is that right after my Word program has been hit with deceptive corruption and I observed and documented somebody inserting a WordPress administrative page into my edit screen in real time , there is a woman whose email address says she’s from the UK, who claims to have a lot of money and time at her disposal, and who claims to have the resources to be able to get “visuals” to prove what did or didn’t happen on my computer…who is threatening to bankrupt me through legal fees unless I admit something that’s not true.

Just some observations…

 

 

I did not lie about Microsoft Word – UPDATED

Interesting time this morning. First this:

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“Zola” from the UK, I am not a liar. Let me show you a little bit of what I’ve been going through this morning. I made sure to get the computer’s clock time in the bottom right corner as well as tried to catch the different progress bars on “recovering my documents” so it could be seen these were different times/instances. Heck, just to make sure I’ve got enough I’ll have it restart Word again right now and snap the photos.

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I can’t even get my screen free of the “Microsoft Office Word has encountered a problem and needs to close” thing. Microsoft Diagnostics found nothing. Right before I was supposed to go online to find out other ways of trying to fix Word on my computer Firefox crashed.

This is an attempt to discredit me. Now Microsoft has to figure out a way to get Word working like normal on my computer so everyone can say what you just said – that I lied.  I would take video of Word changing the size but I can’t even get Word to respond now. :

Word is not responding right now

Word is not responding right now

And it can be seen that the recovery did not save the gridlines file on which I had done what Raicha suggested and figured out that Word was screwing up. So I can’t take photos of that to prove that I did what I said. If I tell Word to save my files and restart it keeps telling me it needs to close. If I tell it to restart without saving my files that proof is gone. Lovely options here in the Gulag, eh?

But Zola doesn’t have to worry about this happening on her computer. She’s right about one thing and one thing only: This doesn’t happen to everybody else. This only happens on the computer of somebody who needs to be discredited because the regime has been snooping on my computer and in my emails and knows that I’ve got more information coming. Will they go in and corrupt my files? What would stop them? Like I said, welcome to the Gulag.

They’re messing with the wrong lady. I tell the truth and I will tell it loudly to expose the garbage here in the Gulag. This was a way for the regime and/or its lackeys at Microsoft to discredit me. They deliberately gave me false results when rotating the image, knowing I would tell the truth about what I found and then they could frame me as a liar. And how would I defend myself? I don’t have videotape of me doing what I said I did. I don’t even have a webcam on my computer so I can’t ask the NSA to show the video of what I was doing either.

People, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And right now the powers-that-be can do whatever they want on your computer. That’s what Edward Snowden and the other whistleblowers are saying. And if you think they would only use this on big important people, then why the heck are they doing this on a little old housewife in Nebraska? Sharyl Atkisson having her computer turn off and on and make bumping noises in the night, right when she was investigating Fast and Furious and Benghazi – the scandal in  which this regime gave new identities to witnesses to keep them unavailable to Congressional investigators….. that I can understand. Little old me, just trying to show that something’s screwy with the story about Loretta Fuddy’s “death”? CLEARLY there’s no “there” there, as everybody keeps saying, so why the big fuss here? Don’t these tyrants have bigger fish to fry than somebody who is so obviously barking up the wrong tree?

I am not a liar. Welcome to the Gulag.

Here are some events this morning. I’ll just put these photos in the order they’re in on the camera:

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The computer is slow as molasses and I’m afraid it’s going to swallow what I’ve got so I better post this. I can add more photos later (note to self: this is #1663 and the last of these photos that I haven’t posted yet is #1670) if people are having troubles realizing that Word is screwed up on my computer. (Note to self: this is #1663 and the last of these photos that I haven’t posted yet is #1670)

Ah, one more. As I was preparing to post this Firefox decided to not respond:

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And yet one more. I have no idea if this is normal or not, but to keep from losing all this and having to start all over again, I copied everything in this post. Didn’t have any program to save it on so I opened up a new window of Word and hit Paste. It waited, had about 6 times of saying “Contacting server. Please wait”, and then finally allowed the paste to work:

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I’ve never noticed Word contacting the server first before allowing stuff to be copied. If I have time after this rat-race that wasted my morning maybe I’ll check out whether that is normal.

OK, now that this has posted I should add those other photos because what I’ve got doesn’t show Microsoft Diagnostics finding no explanation for the problems or Firefox crashing. So here we go, starting with #1665:

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OK, some more pics now. As I mentioned, I was able to get into a new window of Word that had no troubles, so I decided to see if that window has the rotation “problem”. It doesn’t. In this image you can see that even though there is the “Microsoft Word has encountered a problem” notification from the other session of Word usage (a session I can never get out of unless I agree to restart Windows without saving the files from that session), this new window (document 2) is doing just fine.

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I then snapped a photo of the other window of Word – document 1, to show that even while another window of Word is working just fine, document 1 is still stuck in an infinite loop  where it will only allow me to restart Word if the documents from that session are NOT recovered. IOW, Word as a whole is fine, my computer is fine. What isn’t fine is that session. Microsoft will not let me recover that session, in which the rotate function was corrupted. Here’s the photo showing that to be the case:

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Microsoft, you’re busted. This was a hit job. For just one session of Word usage, the rotate function was corrupted on my computer, and the Microsoft server won’t let me get out of that session until I agree to restart without recovering the records of that session.

OK, some more photos this morning. This one’s a screenshot:

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I hope I’ve got this small enough to all fit on there.  The message says:

“Some unexpected errors have happened to software you recently used. You were not asked to send these error reports at the time they occurred.

To help improve the software you use, Microsoft is interested in learning more about these errors. We have created reports about the errors for you to send to us. The reports will be treated as confidential and anonymous.”

I have never received a notice like this before, even though I’ve had Word freeze up many times. I photographed the screen and you can see that yesterday morning I was asked to report the error multiple times, so the unexpected error TO THE SOFTWARE must have been some other time. I think I did report the error at some point. Maybe Microsoft looked at the log of what had happened and noticed the corruption of the Word program on Wed night.

I am not a computer expert. I have no idea whether Microsoft did this or somebody else. All I know is that the rotate feature on Word has – as far as I know, not having used a grid and calculated the proportions mathematically to check every enlargement I’ve ever done with the corner arrow – never given me problems but did on Wednesday. I would never have known it if Raicha hadn’t corrected my conclusions on the post on the blog. That’s why I show my work, and I’m so thankful that scrutiny works.

Now I ask myself whether to send the error report to Microsoft. This morning I got a threatening email: (I’m typing on my daughter’s laptop now because my computer won’t let me C&P the email or add any more typing to this post. When I hit Control-V to copy it keeps backspacing instead. I just approved the comment since I can’t put it here for everybody to know exactly what comment I’m talking about.

Ah, so now this computer inserts the approval screen for the comment I just approved on my desktop. I’ll copy this lower so I can get a photo of it. Here’s the photo:

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Here’s the photo of the screen where I went to approve the comment; I hit the back arrow to get back to it.

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Somebody is messing with me in real time, showing me they have the ability to manipulate my desktop AND my daughter’s laptop.

The stuff between here and the screenshot of the threatening comment is what I had on here before I was trying to C&P the threatening comment. I’m leaving it here so the photos and screenshots all still add up. Too much dizzing around dealing with this for me to remember what I did when if people try saying I’m making up all this stuff. Why I would make it up is beyond me. I should be cleaning my house right now.

While everybody’s looking at my computer system, maybe somebody could help me understand what happened here, when I went to post the above screenshot (sorry, there’s no border on this – one of the difficulties of a screenshot versus a photo, though the image is clearer:

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So now you have a provable explanantion for your problems. Are you going to lie by omission by not mentioning all this – or are you going to go back to FR and admit to your 6 fans that every single thing in that article was unadulterated crap, invented entirely by your feverish mind. Now this was a high enough profile topic that people bothered to debunk you. They don’t bother with most of your stuff because it is so obscure and silly – but they could do the same with everything you have ever written -what would they say about you when it turns out that everything you’ve ever indirectly confirmed is subject to the same flawed logic and atrocious IT skills as this debacle. In fact I think I might make it my life’s work to expose all your lies – starting with revealing this comment thread on FR If you don’t fess up that you have been caught making stuff up again and there is not a single iota of truth in either your allegations about your computer or the death of Fuddy. And I have my IT debt working on a total debunking of your Microsoft tosh – with visuals. Gonna be very, very humiliating for you if I get there first Nellie. And as for your “I know she’s alive because XYZ but I can’t tell you” schtick – now you know how Zullo feels every time he has to lie to keep the birther bucks flowing.

Seek help Nellie – you’ve gone over the edge and your husband and kids are very concerned about you. His congregation is laughing at you behind your back, and even your neighbours have stopped asking you to events – you know this, right? Occasionally when everyone else disagrees with you, they are right and you are worng. Sleep well nutterbutter with your delusions.

Fuddy Would Have Easily Fit Inside a Standard Casket

This regards my gridlines analysis of Fuddy and the casket. I wanted to make sure that everybody saw this, because the conclusion has totally reversed. Microsoft Word totally changed the dimensions of the image when I rotated it, yielding an inaccurate picture. Here’s the update that I added to both the post and the supporting pdf. Again, my apologies for any confusion I may have caused by trusting Microsoft:

OK, big update here. A commenter told me to do the proportions using the whole photo and I would come up with a width of 16 or maybe 17 inches. Didn’t make sense to me but I tried it. He/she was right. I wasn’t sure whether Word was being weird on me as it sometimes does so I did the math, using proportions. The original image was 7 squares wide by 27 squares high so I did the proportion 7/27=x/62 which came up with x being 16.

So then I sought to understand why it didn’t work to use half the image. The proportions should stay the same no matter whether I used half the image or the whole image, because I used the corner arrow to enlarge.  So I got the image of Fuddy beside Mark Miller again, cropped it to the width of the elbows (since that’s where the funeral home measures) and used the corner arrow to enlarge it to a height of 62 squares. The width was 20 squares. So the corner arrow wasn’t the problem. I was baffled.

I wondered how the body really would lay in the casket so I rotated the image to the left so I could put it next to the rectangle representing the size of the bottom of the casket. When I dragged it there Fuddy’s width was even with the width of the casket. I knew that wasn’t right, because her width was supposed to be 20 squares and the width of the casket was supposed to be 25.

I hit the undo button to get me back to the point before the image was rotated left. 20×31. Then I rotated it left again and counted the squares. Instead of being a rotated 20×31 it was 25×26. Word’s rotation totally changed the image.

Moral of the story: Never trust Microsoft. How many of the rest of you get the same result when you rotate an image? Please let me know because I need to know if something bad has been done to my computer to make it act like this.

Thank you, Raicha, for pointing out the error. That’s why I “show my work” – so somebody can show me where I’m wrong, if I’m wrong. The name-calling and insinuations about my mental health get nowhere with me, WordPress posters. If you want me to listen to reason then try reasoning with me. I go where the facts take me. In this case it helped me find out that either Microsoft Word is a worthless piece of crap, or else my computer has once again been messed with.

So my conclusion is totally reversed now: Fuddy would have easily fit inside a standard casket. My apologies to everyone for being stupid enough to think that Microsoft would ever be accurate.

I still don’t believe she WAS in the casket at the funeral,  because the image of her in it had to be photoshopped by KITV. And there’s more that I haven’t gotten to yet also but I suppose I first better find out what else on my computer is pretending to work but doesn’t. Please let me know if this is a problem everybody has, or whether it is peculiar to my computer for some reason…

 

UPDATE: Somebody pointed out that Word’s grid is not made of squares but of rectangles. I measured with a ruler and found that 10 squares across = 1.5 inch and 10 squares down = 1.25 inch.  Wait a minute. On that document the gridlines are different.  10 across = 2 inches and 10 down is 1.75 inches. When I rotated Fuddy’s upper half, the dimensions went from 20 across and 31 down to  26 across and 25 down.

20 across  = 2 x 2 = 4 inches

31 down = 3.1 x 1,75 = 5.425 inches                     So the image started out being 4″ x 5.425″

 

26 across = 2.6 x 2 =  5.2 inches

25 down = 2.5 x 1.75 = 4.375 inches                     So the image ended up being 4.375″ x 5.2″.

 

IOW, the image got wider in real distance and shorter in real distance.

So Word did distort the image when it rotated, even after the rectangular shape of the grid is accounted for.

 

The real height of the green rectangle, to represent 25″ on the same scale used for Fuddy’s width, would need to be 2.5 x 2 = = 5 inches. It’s actually 4 inches.

So this was a combination of the squares being wider than they are tall so it’s comparing apples and oranges unless you change the height of the green rectangle to the same scale as is used horizontally. IOW, the height had to be 5″ rather than 4″. That was the biggest problem.

AND Word changed the proportion when they rotated the image.

 

Does Word always do that?

The Hands Photographed Cannot be Loretta Fuddy in That Casket

UPDATE: For documentation of my hassles  with Microsoft Word (as much documentation as Microsoft will allow me to have, that is) see my post at https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/i-did-not-lie-about-microsoft-word/ . 

Summary of that: For one session, and one session only, the rotate function was corrupted in my Word program. Word crashed that session dozens of times this morning and will not let me restart Word until I agree to have it do so without recovering the files with the history of that corrupted session. Microsoft Diagnostics could find no explanation for what was wrong, and I was able to start a NEW session of Word with the rotate function working fine, even as the other session of Word is stuck in an infinite loop waiting for me to say it can close without recovering the history of the corrupted session.

OK, big update here. A commenter told me to do the proportions using the whole photo and I would come up with a width of 16 or maybe 17 inches. Didn’t make sense to me but I tried it. He/she was right. I wasn’t sure whether Word was being weird on me as it sometimes does so I did the math, using proportions. The original image was 7 squares wide by 27 squares high so I did the proportion 7/27=x/62 which came up with x being 16.

So then I sought to understand why it didn’t work to use half the image. The proportions should stay the same no matter whether I used half the image or the whole image, because I used the corner arrow to enlarge.  So I got the image of Fuddy beside Mark Miller again, cropped it to the width of the elbows (since that’s where the funeral home measures) and used the corner arrow to enlarge it to a height of 62 squares. The width was 20 squares. So the corner arrow wasn’t the problem. I was baffled.

I wondered how the body really would lay in the casket so I rotated the image to the left so I could put it next to the rectangle representing the size of the bottom of the casket. When I dragged it there Fuddy’s width was even with the width of the casket. I knew that wasn’t right, because her width was supposed to be 20 squares and the width of the casket was supposed to be 25.

I hit the undo button to get me back to the point before the image was rotated left. 20×31. Then I rotated it left again and counted the squares. Instead of being a rotated 20×31 it was 25×26. Word’s rotation totally changed the image.

Moral of the story: Never trust Microsoft. How many of the rest of you get the same result when you rotate an image? Please let me know because I need to know if something bad has been done to my computer to make it act like this.

Thank you, Raicha, for pointing out the error. That’s why I “show my work” – so somebody can show me where I’m wrong, if I’m wrong. The name-calling and insinuations about my mental health get nowhere with me, WordPress posters. If you want me to listen to reason then try reasoning with me. I go where the facts take me. In this case it helped me find out that either Microsoft Word is a worthless piece of crap, or else my computer has once again been messed with.

So my conclusion is totally reversed now: Fuddy would have easily fit inside a standard casket. My apologies to everyone for being stupid enough to think that Microsoft would ever be accurate.

I still don’t believe she WAS in the casket at the funeral,  because the image of her in it had to be photoshopped by KITV. And there’s more that I haven’t gotten to yet also but I suppose I first better find out what else on my computer is pretending to work but doesn’t. Please let me know if this is a problem everybody has, or whether it is peculiar to my computer for some reason…

I will update the PDF so that everybody can know what happened.

Conclusion: Fuddy would barely have fit in this casket. Her arms would have had to be above the rest of her body. To have her wrists at the angle portrayed in the photoshopped image she would have had to be in an oversized casket but this is not an oversized casket.

Casket Analysis with Gridlines – Revised Twice

Looks like the grid lines didn’t transfer to the PDF and photos of the screen weren’t clear so I’ll try jpg’s made from screenshots of my screen. We’ll see if this works:

Grids p1

Grids p2

Grids p3

Grids p4

grids p5

Did Fuddy Have an Open-Casket Funeral? (UPDATED)

NOTE: This pdf has been updated in response to new discoveries (thank you to those who pointed out new observations to me) – including the source of image #1 and the signs that it is a photoshop.  Fred, I’ll post the two similarly-cropped images here so you can see them. The top is from KHON, the bottom from KITV. Sorry they’re so small here; I don’t know how to crop the white space out in Paint on my computer. But if you copy these 2 images into Word, expand them to the same size as each other, and drag one over the other you will see the placement of everything is identical except: the missing window sash that creates the cross is missing, part of the khon2 sparkly logo is dimmed enough to not show, an extra flower and floating-in-the-air greenery has been inserted below the easel and the streaming light from the window has been changed to a brown fill that matches the brown of the top window sash to make it look like it’s a wall there instead of a window, and a different person and a larger casket have been C&P’ed in :

cropped khoncropped kitv

Conclusion: The person in the casket shown by KITV is not from Fuddy’s funeral. The image was most likely photoshopped from KHON footage at the funeral (update – it may not have been from the khon footage; more later), as revealed by errors in the photoshop. The casket at Fuddy’s funeral had a different pall and had no body inside but did have an oval bump in the middle of the casket, which I presume to be an urn. The media used at least one instance of fake footage (and maybe two) to imply that Fuddy’s was an open-casket funeral, the family was photographed in positions you would expect if there was a body in the casket, and the casket was treated as if it had a body inside. The public was most likely unaware of the deception to be carried out by the media and honored what they believed was her ashes if they got close enough to see the urn in the casket.

Did Fuddy Have an Open Casket Funeral (Updated)

Here are two images of the casket from the KITV video, with a red line showing the profile of the head end of the casket being straight across:

body close up with reference points added

Friends file past at other funeral

And here’s the image from the Honolulu Diocese, with a red line showing the profile to be two-tiered:

diocese profile two tierLarger image (and darkened a bit to help see the detail):

diocese profile annotated

I’ve tried to figure out how that top tier fits with the hinge mechanism and I don’t understand it, unless it’s a piece of attached cloth that folds down out of the way when the lid closes. I don’t know what it is, but I know that the Diocese photo shows that when the lid is open  that two-tier profile is there. It doesn’t match the straight-line profile of the open caskets in the KITV video.