What KS SOS Kris Kobach asked to be verified was the same thing that MDEC asked to be verified, with the additional verification that the file number on the White House BC be verified.
Mr. Kobach had received a letter from Attorney Larry Klayman on Sept 7th, pointing out that Onaka had confirmed that the HI birth record for Obama is non-valid. And Kobach’s request – like MDEC’s – was specifically designed to allow Onaka to verify what was asked, EVEN WITH A NON-VALID BIRTH RECORD.
IOW, there is NOTHING to contradict Onaka’s earlier confirmation to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that the HI record for Barack Obama is legally non-valid – and SOS Kobach knows that full well.
Link to Klayman’s letter, which Kobach received on Sept 7th: https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf
An article which helps explain why neither MDEC’s verification nor Kobach’s means anything: https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/wheel-of-fortune-v-family-feud-final.pdf
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Don’t verification letters require the offical seal of the State of Hawaii?
Good question. We’ve got 2 verifications, now (to AZ and to KS), that have somebody else’s initials besides Onaka’s next to the signature stamp and no seal. And we’ve got one (to Mississippi Democratic Executive Committee) with Onaka’s initials beside the name stamp and a raised seal. The law doesn’t say anything about it so I guess they just do whatever they feel like that day…
What will it profit a man if he should gain the whole world, and lose his own soul…i.e., betray his sworn oath of office…so help him God?
Thank God for forgiveness and redemption, and may He bring us all to repentance so we know our need for forgiveness. And then may He grant us the wisdom and courage to correct our errors.
No, you should inform the SOS that a verifcation without a seal, and , perhaps, a certification by a justice of a competent court with the seal means it is not a verification at all.
Please take further notice that the letter is a form letter, according to a notation on the bottom of the letter.
“The certificate is approximately 15cm’s square in size and it is permanently glued to another document. Once attached, the certificate and the document that it is attached to are then embossed with an official government seal. ”
Oh, I know that this is for the use of other countrys but it might spur someone into further action.
“f you require a certified copy of a birth, death, civil union, marriage, or divorce certificate to be authenticated for international legalization, you may request authentication at the same time you request a certified copy of the certificate. The Department of Health will coordinate with the Lieutenant Governor’s Office and the State Circuit Court to have the official forms prepared and attached to the certificate being issued.
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Maybe, maybe not!
Or, perhaps, we should ask the SOS to request an authentication instead of a verification.
I do wonder why MDEC got a verification with a raised seal and KS and AZ didn’t. Maybe I’ll ask the KS SOS’s office if the verification they got had a raised seal on it. What I received via email was apparently the electronic copy that they initially sent to Kobach, although I had requested all the communications so they should have scanned the actual paper document they received and sent it to me as well. Maybe I’ll call them and see if I can get the scan of the actual paper document they received in the mail, so I can see if there’s a seal.
The initials are odd too.
But: Atty. Orly Taitz is dragging Kobach into court in Kansas for
an October mandated new hearing on this matter. At this Hour of
Atonement, the Obots and trolls and zombies in Kansas are
shaking in their fascist boots. There may be justice done yet.
Thanks to Orly & Butter, IMO. JS
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact.
There is not a shred of evidence that Obama’s mother traveled outside of the USA in 1961, which would have been very rare for pregnant women at the time. It would be even more rare to travel to Kenya, where only 21 people came to the USA from in 1961, and it would be still more rare to do so without her husband—and WND has proved that Obama senior was in Hawaii throughout 1961 with a FOI Act request. So there is no evidence that Obama’s mother traveled, and it would be extremely unlikely. BUT there is evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, confirmed by the officials of both parties in Hawaii. Obama’s birth in Hawaii is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
Oh, and Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. That was made up by birther sites. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that Obama was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s place of birth was in a LETTER FROM HAWAII.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol…
You don’t get it. There is a NON-VALID birth certificate that says he was born in Hawaii. It is totally worthless. That means for legal purposes we have no way to even begin figuring out when, where, or to whom Obama was born. It doesn’t make any difference where Stanley Ann Dunham was at any given point in time because at this point we have no idea whether she is even his mother. We have no idea whether he was born in 1961 or some other time. There is nothing that is legally-substantiated so we don’t even have a starting point to know the birth facts for this guy. And legally, we never can until the BC is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body so its probative value can be determined and we can find out whether there is any value to these claims whatsoever.
Keep in mind that former OIP Director Paul Tsukiyama has already confirmed that there are affidavits to support the claims on the BC, which would only be necessary for a late or altered BC – NOT for a Kapiolani birth. And the HDOH confirmed that there were receipts for the alteration of Obama’s birth certificate, which is only necessary for major administrative amendments (not typos, name changes, etc) – which also would not be necessary for a Kapiolani birth, since the registrar checked with the hospitals to iron out any discrepancies or problems with BC’s completed by hospitals. So just being non-valid calls into serious question the claim of a Kapiolani birth.
Officials of both parties cannot legally confirm anything that has not yet been legally determined. The only person at this point who is authorized to confirm anything about Obama’s birth is Alvin Onaka, and though required to verify these things if he could certify that this is how the birth really happened, he did NOT verify Obama’s gender, date of birth, city of birth, island of birth, mother’s name, or father’s name.
And from Wikipedia,
A certified copy is a copy (often a photocopy) of a primary document, that has on it an endorsement or certificate that it is a true copy of the primary document. It does not certify that the primary document is genuine, only that it is a true copy of the primary document.
Why does every one think that the certification is worth anything?
If it’s a certified copy it should accurately show whatever is on the original, and the original birth certificates are required to show if they are non-valid. That’s why Obama’s people had to forge a long-form image even though they received a certified copy from the HDOH: they had to get rid of the marks showing the original to be non-valid.
And the absence of those marks in the forgery is why Onaka couldn’t verify that the WH image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file” or that the information contained in it “is identical to” the information contained in the original BC.