Red Flags in Hawaii
People are asking how so many terrorist red flags could be overlooked by so many. The same way these “birther” red flags were not only overlooked but ridiculed:
1. DOH Director Fukino illegally hid until Nov 2009 the DOH Administrative Rules showing that election officials could have received a copy of Obama’s original birth certificate without his permission. The DOH has said they can’t release any records without Obama’s permission. But HRS 338-18(a) allows state laws and DOH rules to govern the disclosure of vital records, and the current rules -Chapter 8b, 2.5(A)(1)(f) -would allow any election officer transacting the placement of Obama’s name on the ballot to receive a certified copy.
2. The DOH has falsely said that HRS 338-18 prohibits disclosure of government processing records. There are 2 kinds of records – records of the vital events themselves, and records of the government’s handling ( http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0001.htm) of those records.
Certificates are the record of the vital events. HRS 338-18(a) says that information about the actual birth, death, marriage, and divorce events may only be released according to the provisions set by law or Department of Health rules, thus referring everyone to the DOH Administrative Rules to see how information on actual certificates may be disclosed and to whom. Far from barring “any disclosure” as claimed by the DOH, current Administrative Rules allow a non-certified abbreviated copy of a birth (Chapter 8b, 2.5B), marriage (Ch 8b, 2.8C), or death (Ch8b, 2.6C) certificate to be released to anyone who asks for it. However, a public statement of where someone was born – such as Fukino’s July 27, 2009 statement about Obama – is not allowed by the rules (Ch 8b, 2.1A).
All other records are public, except that neither direct viewing nor certified copies are allowed unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest. Non-certified copies, abstracts, and disclosure of information from the documents are not prohibited – which, according to Hawaii’s “Sunshine Law” (UIPA) means they must be disclosed upon request, except for certain exemptions, such as for information having privacy interest that outweighs the public interest in disclosure: date of birth, gender, and address .
Since a damaging disclosure of records processing was made in September (see #3), The DOH has been denying access to these records by claiming that ANY DISCLOSURE is forbidden.
3. Though ridiculing “birthers” publicly, the DOH has PRIVATELY confirmed Obama’s online COLB’s as forgeries – a fact the DOH has known since the beginning. Because processing information is subject to disclosure, the DOH was forced in Sept 2009 to reveal that Obama’s birth certificate has been amended (OIP interpretation) and that Obama or his representative has paid a fee to have his certificate amended at the very time he was considering a run for the presidency. Amendments must be noted on the certificate (Ch 8b, 3.1), so the DOH has known this entire time that both the Factcheck and Fight the Smears COLB’s are forgeries, since they have no amendment noted.
When asked point-blank on Feb 22, 2010 whether the denial of access confirmed the existence of Obama’s amendment documents, the OIP refused to refute that understanding, saying (after 2 e-mails asking clarification) that they were too busy to address the question.
4. The combination of certificate number and filing date on the Factcheck COLB is not possible. The DOH has confirmed that the certificate number is assigned by them when they file the certificate. Observed certificate numbers corroborate this as well, and so does page 232 of the CDC’s 1961 Natality Report. The Factcheck COLB says it was filed at the DOH 3 days before the Nordkye twins’ certificates but has a later number than theirs. The certificate number is the same on a COLB as it is on an original, long-form BC, so it makes no difference that the Nordykes’ are long-forms and Factcheck’s a COLB. The DOH has refused to release the certificate number for Obama even though they are required by UIPA to do so.
5. Every government agency in Hawaii contacted thus far has explicitly denied that they have a responsibility to report known forgery and/or have refused to report suspected forgery to law enforcement. This includes the Department Of Health, Office of Information Practices (OIP), lieutenant governor’s office, and every member of Hawaii’s House and Senate. Janice Okubo of the DOH seems to have stated that law forbids her to disclose ANYTHING about a birth certificate– even that it’s a critical, very public forgery. The Ombudsman’s Office has said they don’t investigate crimes and only report evidence they uncover themselves. See no evil…
6. The amendment made to Obama’s birth certificate renders it insufficient evidence for legal purposes. Minor administrative errors (such as typos) don’t remove the prima facie evidentiary value of a birth certificate, but such no-fault errors don’t result in a fee (Ch 8b 3.5C, 3.11, 3.1, & HRS 338-17) and Obama was charged a fee – as the DOH confirmed again on March 23, 2010. Legal name changes also don’t affect the evidentiary value, but the lieutenant governor’s office has confirmed that there has been no legal name change for anyone named Obama, Dunham, Soetoro, or Sutoro.
7. Kapiolani Hospital received a letter signed by Obama on White House stationery and with raised seal claiming Obama was born there, even though that could only be true if Obama’s amendment contradicted the doctor’s testimony. If he had been born in a Hawaii hospital the hospital itself would have been responsible for the content on the birth certificate and the DOH responsible for any clerical typos. The only way Obama would be charged for an amendment is:
a) if he or his representative claimed to have filled out the certificate themselves and erred, or
b) if Obama claimed the doctor’s testimony was wrong.
8. The DOH has broken Hawaii law to make rule changes (see July 11 addendum at bottom) that would protect Obama. In mid-June of 2009 the DOH stated that they will no longer issue long-form birth certificates. This is in direct violation of the current rules, without following HRS 91-3 mandates for an open process for rule changes – the first of several such violations within the past year.
9. Fukino stated on July 27, 2009 that Obama’s records verify his birth in Hawaii, but Hawaii law forbids her to conclude that, since all the DOH has is legal hearsay. According to PHR Chapter 8b and HRS 338-17, only a judicial or administrative person or group can evaluate the accuracy of the claims when an amended document is presented as evidence. Obama has had many, many opportunities to present his birth certificate as evidence in lawsuits. He has refused – even going so far as rescinding military orders rather than risk a judge seeing his birth certificate. There is no process by which Obama would present his records to Fukino as evidence.
10. Having made the illegal statement, Fukino refused to obey UIPA which required her to release the documents on which her statement was based.
11. The DOH has deleted documents required to be stored for at least 2 years. The DOH says it no longer has the UIPA request or invoices showing Obama’s birth certificate was amended. The DOH’s own “Rules of Practice & Procedure” (11-1-30) say that documents must be stored as long as the case can be contested – August 2011 in this case. (Note: the invoices have met their retention period if they were created in 2006 so the HDOH would be correct to not have them any longer.)
12. Fukino averted discipline against herself by promoting the OIP director, who was replaced by the attorney who has designed the DOH’s deceptive responses. Six days after Leo Donofrio’s blog said he would ask OIP Director Tsukiyama for disciplinary action against Fukino and Okubo for their deception, Tsukiyama resigned from the OIP to take a promotion to a company on whose board of directors Fukino sits. He granted Cathy Takase’s request to have control of all DOH matters and asked her to replace him.
Now OIP is leaving HRS 338-18 rulings up to the DOH and refuses to clarify what kinds of responses qualify as Glomar responses. All DOH responses contain deceptions #1&2, including disobeying their own rules for non-certified abbreviated copies of birth, marriage, and death certificates. They deny that documents exist which are required by law, such as descriptions of their forms, procedures, and instructions which are mandated in HRS 91, etc.. (Note: the retention period for the 1961 lists is past, so the HDOH is correct not to have them.)
13. Apparently in response to this blog post and a request for a legislative investigation of these matters, Hawaii State Senator Will Espero has introduced a bill that would allow the OIP to label people who ask too many questions as “vexatious requestors” who are then blacklisted from access to government records for 2 years. The net effect of the bill would be to overturn UIPA. They also want to fine “vexatious requestors”…
14. The DOH is falsifying the communication logs in e-mails to frame the requestor as what Cathy Takase calls “mentally ill” – thus fit to label as a “vexatious requestor” and blacklist for 2 years.
15. The DOH claims that original records required to be retained permanently (original birth index and index of foreign births) don’t exist. Either they are lying or they have illegally destroyed permanent records.
Red flags. This information has been given to every lawmaker in Hawaii, the OIP, DOH, Ombudsman’s office, HI lieutenant governor’ and governor’s offices, Nebraska’s US attorney (who says they won’t take reports from citizens), and Hawaii’s director of the Department of Public Safety, as well as to multiple news organizations. The FBI thrice said they don’t investigate document fraud. All refused to act. Red flags.
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Regarding #10, Okubo has now sent the form showing they are required to keep UIPA requests for 2 years. Posted at https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/two-year-storage-for-uipa-requests/
Realizing that news companies choose their battles, I have to say that Breitbart refused to touch this. See https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/breitbart-refusal/
Now we the people sue Hawaii for Treason?
I don’t know what anybody outside of Hawaii can do about this. I actually wonder if, in addition to getting state laws which require the original birth certificate with signatures to validate NBC claims, we need to make criminal activity at the state level in order to influence a federal election a federal crime.
Then again, maybe it already is. I wonder…
Hawaiian Revised Statute 338-13 states that the HDOH ‘shall’ provide anyone or all of THREE different forms showing vital statistics upon application.
1. An image copy of the original. (“a certified copy of any certificate”)
2. A copy of the contents (ALL the contents, due to the fact that the third option distinguishes itself as ‘part’ of the all)
3. Part of the contents. (aka a COLB)
Hawaiian Statute 338-13 clearly EXCLUDES a COLB (aka ‘part thereof’) from being ‘considered for all purposes the same as the original’.
Read the statute:-
§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]
Good point, Michael. I had paid attention to the allowance that computer printout could be used but had overlooked the importance of the information being complete.
We must also not lose sight of the fact that presenting these documents and verifying his eligibility is ultimately Mr. Obama’s responsibility. He has not done so in a timely manner. Therefore we must no longer refer to him as President and must disregard and disavow all of his actions pertaining to the office of the President. Since the Constitutional means of addressing this issue have been ignored, we are now and have been a country without a President since January 20, 2009.
It’s time to be more vocal about this and confront all of our elected and appointed officials and law enforcement agencies. Those who will not address this simplest of issues must be removed from office. Many will need to be arrested and tried for treason.
Those appointed by Obama, including Eric Holder, Ms. Sotomayor, all of Obama’s Czars, etc. are invalid and their actions must also be rejected in full as they have attained their offices illegitimately and therefor have no authority.
Remember, this is a Constitutional Republic! No one has a “right” to hold public office and no one may govern without the consent of the people.
We definitely need to do something, but I think we need to obey what is viewed as the law at this point BUT really hit the law enforcement angle. The Quo Warranto proceedings by Taitz and Donofrio might yet bear fruit – especially if the DC Circuit judges realize that the American public is informed about the criminal actions used to cover up Obama’s documentation problem.
I think that raising public awareness of just how rotten our entire system has been to cover the truth about Obama’s records is vital to getting a DC Circuit judge who will take the issue seriously.
And we absolutely need to inundate our elected officials with information so they know that they will be accountable for knowing the truth and not acting when this thing finally breaks open.
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Were you ever able to get My UIPA requests?=)
I see you finally got them to admit they should have kept them.
Hope all is well and keep your chin up!=) I’ve added you to my favs.
MT, they never would give them to me. The OIP gave what they said was everything in their file regarding your official request for assistance – which shows that the documents I requested exist, since OIP still has them. Okubo sent the government records schedule saying that UIPA requests have to be retained for 2 years after the final responses to them. But still she says she doesn’t have them.
Could it be that they don’t want to give you my UIPA requests and communications because I requested Obama’s own UIPA request under Part III to access and amend his BC and was denied access?
I wonder….
This is an excellent post. I’m intrigued by the non-certified copies. Can we not just demand a non-certified copy of the original BC through a UIPA request per these administrative rules?? Also, am wondering if Obama’s alleged COLB is actually a non-certified copy that was given out, and that was ‘amended’ by one of Obama’s staffers??
The one thing I’m not seeing is anything about Index Data. Maybe I overlooked while reviewing these administrative rules. This is the other information that supposed to be made public. I see nothing here that would prevent a request for Index Data on the basis of a date or certificate number rather than by name.
And speaking of the certificate number, it’s pretty clear from these rules that Obama’s number can NOT be higher than the Nordyke twins. If his was filed Aug. 8, it was supposed to been issued a certificate number at that time by the state. The Nordykes certificate wasn’t filed until three days later and wouldn’t have received a number until then. Wonder who the Obama certificate number really belongs to??
The DOH says they can’t give out non-certified copies because it is forbidden (even though it is expressly authorized). Ombudsman’s Office says it is reasonable that they refuse to release it because the rule says they MAY (not must or shall) release it. But UIPA says that if a document is expressly authorized to be released it MUST be released. Ombudsman’s Office says if I don’t like their ruling contact OIP about it. When I contact OIP on anything related to the DOH they just forward it to the DOH and let them decide what they want to do with it.
That whole process shows you how they are screwing around without worrying that anybody will make them follow their own laws. That’s what some of us have been dealing with for a very long time.
I actually wondered the same thing about the online COLB’s being non-certified copies.
They won’t give any index data except name, gender, and type of event. I’ve asked for index data for Barack Hussein Obama II, male, birth, certificate number (and gave the Factcheck cert#). They say they can’t reveal anything about the certificate number. Never mind that a non-certified abbreviated copy would have the certificate number on it and they are required to release that. The certificate number is a record of their PROCESSING – which is not prohibited from disclosure, but they’re mixing up 338-18a and b in order to obfuscate the difference between an actual certificate and the records of processing.
There is one way I know of that the cert numbers could be mixed around. If Obama’s birth data was filed in the DOH but was incomplete and the rest of the info didn’t come in until after the Nordykes’ was all in.
Wow, that is really disgusting that these people can’t follow their own simple rules. Their rules also say ‘may’ in reference to releasing Standard copies of certs to eligible recipients. There’s nothing that shows a reasonable excuse why the non-certified copies should be withheld. This is something that needs to be sent to the newspapers. Hopefully there’s at least ONE honest reporter who will recognize the illegal obfuscation being conducted.
I think it’s really likely that the FactCheck certificate number is not Obama’s. You’ve shown that the state could have legally released Obama’s birth records in non-certified form months ago. There’s no reason to withhold the record or the index data per the certificate number. I understand that supplementary information could have been filed later, but it would have had to have been filed almost immediately after the Nordyke twins certificate was filed, except that we know this could not have have happened. The Nordykes’ certs were signed by the doctor the same day as signed by the local registrar, so Obama’s would have had to have been filed the same day or later (on Aug. 11, not the 8th). If so, then Obama’s birth could not have been announced in the Aug. 13 newspaper. This means it had to be filed and accepted earlier and that it had a different, lower certificate number than shown at Fact Check. Somebody is committing fraud.
Sounds like you’ve got a good understanding of it, ksdb. There’s no way I know of that Obama could have been born in a hospital and have the numbers fall the way they do because a hospital would have given complete data. We also have the DOH’s denial of Terri K’s request for receipts for fees paid by Obama to amend his certificate, as I mentioned in the article, so as far as I can tell it’s impossible for him to have been born in a hospital.
I think the story is definitely worthy of being in a newspaper. But nobody will touch it. And that, I think, tells us a LOT about the shape the country is in and why. As long as government people can break the laws with impunity the people have no protections and there really is no rule of law.
I’ve mentioned the main points here. But the DOH and OIP have been doing smaller similar things all along.
Just yesterday I found out that what they’re calling standard birth certificates is exactly the same as what they call “abbreviated birth certificates”, except for the title. I reported to DOH, Ombudsman’s Office, Registrar Onaka, Gov Lingle, Lt Gov Aiona, and AG Mark Bennett that their standard BC is not legal because “Public Health Regulations”, Chapter 8, Section 1 (which is still in effect) requires them to have AT LEAST as much information as is required on the (now-called) CDC standard certificates. The standard CDC birth certificate as of 2003 has 53 items on it.
It’s not really crucial to the points I’m making here, but do you think anybody in Hawaii will actually care that their laws are being violated just so the Hawaii DOH can say that there’s no such thing as a birth certificate with a doctor’s signature? Think of that. There is no place on their “standard birth certificate” for anybody to sign anything. Anybody in the world could submit a birth certificate like that to the DOH and they would have no way of knowing even who submitted it, since there are no signatures.
That’s pretty significant. And again, the only purpose it serves them is to allow them to say that they don’t have ANY birth certificates with signatures any more (so it shouldn’t bug anybody that Obama’s doesn’t have any signatures, if that’s what we find, and I suspect that IS what we’ll find). They will throw everything out just so they can make an argument that everybody in the world could see through anyway, since Obama’s birth certificate was before they changed the forms anyway.
One of the things that keeps coming up is the ‘date filed’ vs. ‘date accepted’ language on the COLBs. In doing some research, I found there was national conference of registrars held in 2000 that addressed the standardizing of vital records, which makes sense in the computer age. They were trying to get all the states to use the same language and include the same information as one another. Alvin T. Onaka Ph.D., HI state registrar, was one of the major players at this conference. Some of the streamlining of information was for practical reasons, but it has led to what you talk about, the lack of a signature. But, they did decide that they would adopt the ‘date filed’ language in place of other language, such as ‘date accepted,’ effective as of 2003. Other revisions took place sooner, which I believe is why you see the revision date of 2001 on the bottom of Obama’s COLB.
I had some correspondence with a reporter in Arizona a few months ago. I’m going to contact her to see if she will follow up on the non-certified copies of birth certificates issue. They already have legislators there pushing for a ballot requirement for proof of birth/citizenship. This story could make a big splash.
That sounds like a good idea. Thanks.
Seems like there should be a way to input a signature electronically. If Walmart can do it, surely the government can. lol.
The DOH is playing a very dangerous game of “Legal Chicken”. Like a game of “Jenga”, they and other Obama conspirators continue to pull the peoples rights and protections from them. The question is just how long the people will put up with the attacks on our personal liberties, rights, and freedoms and the dismantling of our State and Federal Constitutions before the house collapses.
We the People have a Constitutional RIGHT to a President who is a natural born citizen just as we have all of the other rights and guarantees protected by our Constitution.
Our President (in Obama’s case “putative” president), Senators, Representatives, Judges, etc. have forgotten that they are only at the top of the pyramid through the graciousness and trust of the People who are the heart and base of this great nation. If they can not or will not perform their duties and respect the base they can and will be swept away. As they continue to tear away at the Peoples trust they only ensure their own demise.
It would be very worthwhile for them to read up on Lenin, Stalin and their pals. They will find that “useful idiots” don’t live long. The people at the very top when the house crumbles get most nervous first and tend to attack those closest to them most ferociously. While the foundation may take a beating, a strong foundation survives in the end.
The criminals in the Hawaiian DOH must be asking themselves every day, “At what point will the people tire of their crap and show up with a militia?” It will be interesting to see how their personal “CYA” escape plans hold up in the Peoples court. Or, at what point will the worms at the top lose faith in their “useful idiots” and give them up to the wolves.
Has anyone tried invoking statutory jurisdiction as suggested in this site
http://unitedcivilrights.org/uscode-v-obama.html
to satisfy the “standing” issue?
I have suggested filing a 9th. Amendment Complaint, invoking the Constitution itself to establish jurisdiction; the Petitioner acting in the capacity of one of the “People” exercising his right to “petition govt. for redress of grievance”. I have successfully done this myself.
Invoking statute is equivilent to a subject” groveling at the foot of the king asking for permission to exercise a right.
The “People” are the governments “master”, not its “subjects”.
All:
Don’t you “get it” yet??? All of yuou “little people” are no more important than a bucket of spit – and I know because the man who has never shown himself to be legally eligible to hold the office he now occupies told me (and the rest of you) so; guess we’re all just TOO DUMB to listen.
Try these two short videos whoci start slow but open up to have a wealth of information about our putative prez. In fact, the second video has a quotation from a senator that sounds suspiciously link he’s talking about Obama – problem is the senator was the Roman senator Cicero who lived in 42 BC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsX5DzZHkIU Three Little Words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNGG8tIJNMY Merry Christmas OmeriKa!!
Who goes to this much trouble not to have to present their Birth Certificate? Duh! Obama is not eligible, and he knows it.
Is there any record of a state officer requesting a long form BC to verify that BHO was eligible to be on the ballot of that state for the 08 primary or general election? that might be a good question to ask the DoH
Speaking of state officials, perhaps it’s time to start bringing them before our grand juries. Charges can start with”Obstruction of Justice” and “Dereliction of Duty” with evidence of other prosecutable violations accumulating daily.
Once the fire is built at the bottom of this pyramid of treason it won’t be long before the rats turn on and consume their ungrateful and undependable leader. Surely, they know by now that that there is no one that this manipulator won’t throw to the wolves to protect his own worthless backside.
Obama is allegedly a Harvard trained constitutional scholar. Where are his college records? Perhaps he’s a brain surgeon, too! He has known since well before he ran for ANY office that he is not a “Natural Born Citizen” and is not eligible for POTUS. It appears more and more likely that once all evidence is disclosed it will prove that he is not even a citizen and, therefore, was not eligible for the Senate office he held almost invisibly for several months.
The burden of proof is on Obama. This legal charade and scavenger hunt has gone on long enough. It is and was Obama’s responsibility to document his eligibility for the office he now occupies through the grace and trust of the people. It is not his house. He, nor anyone else, has a “right” to occupy it.
Those who wish to remain complicit in this historic cover-up must prepare to suffer the consequences of their actions. I suggest that these officials come clean now while there is still room for mercy and reconciliation.
Obama has had more than enough time to either put up or pack up. His legal rent is way past due. We the People want our house back now!
FiddlerBob, I agree 100% this has gone on far too long and our reps in the federal government are allowing it to proceed as usual.
I am very concerned that he is not a Natural Born Citizen but more concerned about his fathers place of birth and allegiance to Kenya, that was passed on to a usurper.
This issue alone is something he himself divulges in his books, but no one really wants to go investigate. If he was born in Hawaii fine he would be a citizen but with his father being a Kenyan native, this put him out of Natural Born Status and no Constitutional fulfillment to serve as President of the United States. He is a usurper occupying the Presidential office and a traitor to our country and a bigger danger than all the terrorists in the world combined.
All have the goal to destroy this great nation and bring We The People into third world status. One is held at bay and the other is passing laws and executive orders to come to the same outcome.
I also blame the Congress and Senate especially Pelosi / Reid for not verifying this information before the Democratic nomination. Everyone that should have investigated this in order to verify the constitutional requirement of every candidate needs to be impeached and tried for treason, dereliction of duty and put in jail along with restitution of the money they passed out after this usurper started giving out our tax dollars.
Please people read the Constitution and other founding documents, you don’t have to be a layer to understand them. Once you do that you can see the issues are very large and so close to the failing of this great nation.
The Republic can only survive if the people remain vigilant of the government and refuse to be silent.
Yes we are a Republic not a Democracy as they want you to believe please look up the difference.
MOLAN LABE!!!!
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Hey you guys, Congress is responsible for oversight of the Exec Branch. Why not pursue an investigation of Obama’s eligibility through them? I think the Tea Partiers need to add this to their agenda, as their voice is finally being heard. I think there is already enough public mistrust of Obama to warrant an investigation of the documentation that supposedly exist to confirm his eligibility. This shouldn’t be that hard to do. This is the job of Congress to pursue this!
Click to access RL30240.pdf
A response to this article has been posted on the Obama Conspiracy Theories blog.
Having wasted 4 hours your web site and in subsequent discussions at Obama Conspiracy Theories, I can state that I have found nothing on it that provides any probative information related to Barack Obama’s eligibility be president or the accuracy of the Certification of Live Birth from Hawaii posted on his web site. Whatever dispute you may have with the Hawaii Department of Health over its responsiveness to your queries is not my concern.
If you can’t see it now you probably never will. Better to spend your time on things that make more sense to you. Life is too short to do anything less. Be well and enjoy your blessings.
@ Dr Conspiracy.
Have you found anything that legally provides for an internet image to be proof of vital statistics?
On another matter, given that Obama stated in writing on his Arizona nomination declaration that he is a ‘natural-born’ US citizen, do you agree that the burden of proof weighs on Obama to substantiate that claim?
I guess since one individual can’t absorb the obvious, we should all disregard the valid (and thus disturbing) things uncovered by butterdizillion(?)
I’d ask why paying bloggers to write garbage seems worthwhile to the Soetoro administration, but the fact that they’re not that bright makes the answer obvious, and happily will eventually lead to their ousting.
Also – adapting the moniker “Dr.” makes it even more absurd.
The problem here is all the original documents are being stonewalled and won’t be released until everyone is dead for 50 years. Enough money and power have been applied to be certain of this.
The Supreme Court wouldn’t touch this thing, either, so the next best chance is for some of the smaller more conservative states pass laws that require their Secretary of State to receive and make public the long form, original birth certificate and any certificates of naturalization before placing a candidates name on the ballot. This is the only way you’ll know what really happened, or at least you will be presented with a very good fake.
It’s going to be a long three years.
You’re probably right, Gadfly. For me, this really isn’t about Barack Obama. It is more about the state of our law enforcement system and administrative agencies. The government is corrupt beyond belief and law enforcement is just another tool for the corrupt politicians. We can survive Obama. We can’t survive lawlessness.
I want to find out exactly how the public can force law enforcement to do its job even when (maybe especially when) politicians are involved. And how we can reveal that what comes out in news reports is filtered through so many political screens that we are fed nothing but what the establishment in Washington DC wants us to hear – which is why DC has such a corrupting influence on politicians. Politicians need the media and they’re all one big happy family screwing the rest of us.
I want to break up that dance. Until we do, this nation’s freedom is in serious jeopardy.
The funny thing is the alliances that are coming out of this. Like Shiites and Sunnis who stopped fighting each other long enough to embrace coalition help in fighting the extremist thugs who were killing Shiites and Sunnis alike. The only way the American people win is if WE have the ability to enforce fair laws which protect us from both democrats and republicans.
May I spread your post with copy and paste, or will that be inviting trouble. :p
Really and amazing and thorough post!
You know what. It’s like the John Edwards story. Nobody but nobody will touch it. They are too afraid of being made an idiot by the left. Just as it took a publication that isn’t afraid of being called an idiot, because they already had been so many times before, it will take the same thing here.
As much as I hate to admit it, even to myself, I’m beginning to think that the state rules to force release of bc prior to elections is the best we’ll ever do. Because the congress, the courts and the media just will not touch it, and in most cases are even trying to stymie it.
And then after we finally get the truth. let the inquisitions begin on all those parties that refused to do their jobs. Of course the only inquisitions that will happen are the ones against republican congressmen in conservative districts, because even after it’s all exposed, nothing will happen to the dems and the media involved, or the courts. That is just the sad state of affairs we have. What has happened to the media that ignored the john edwards story. Nothing. We can only change that which we control and all we control are some congressional districts. We’ll change those, and laugh at the absurd reasons they give why they should not be held responsible. John Mccain is FIRST on the list.
I know that feeling. We absolutely need to get the laws passed in the states requiring the birth certificates and any other documentation necessary.
Nobody in the government-run media would report John Edwards, or ACORN, or climategate, or any of this stuff. I have seen so many blatantly false statements regarding this issue from every media outlet including Fox. At this point a person would be more crazy to think that the media and government are NOT engaging in corrupt cover-ups than to believe what our “lying eyes” are telling us over and over and over and over: that what gets reported is exactly what the Obama-threatened media wants us to hear.
We need to change our Attorney General in California. Orly Taitz has stated if she wins her race for Attorney General in California she will demand proof of Obama’s eligibility to hold office. Lord knows what kind of Attorney General she would make, but if she just won this one battle against Obama continuing in office, it would be worth it. She’s got my vote.
Great job guys. Keep the pressure on. The truth will eventually out and american patriotism will be vindicated. We the people are coming for you O.
I want to thank the participants of this thread for the great information concerning Hawaii s law. Ive found just the fact that he is able to hide his records at all when I’m often required to give mine out for anything I want, is beyond vexing.
butterdezillion:
Please keep up the great work in helping hold the HI feet to the fire.
It’s really terribly funny when one of the all-time Flying Monkeys who runs a pro-Oborter blog thinks he is “taking you to the woodshed” by his attempts at denigration. His site is one where those of Communist persuasion routinely attempt to trash and attack anyone who offers any HINT of the ineligibility of the man who has never shown himself to be legally eligible to hold the office he now occupies. It is a barrel of laughs that he’s now trying to attack you on your own website. Perhaps he just couldn’t wait for you to show up on his site (which would be completely a waste of time).
While it shows the mindset of the Flying Monkeys, it also helps grasp the fact that there is “something rotten in Denmark” as the old saying goes … but in this case it’s not Denmark, but HI.
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I would like to know what are you doing about it. You seem to have all the evidence in the world. But, you say no one will touch this. How can that be? Is everyone scared of Obama? Supreme Court, Congress, States, other countries? Someone can call Obama a racist, socialist, radical muslim, commy, but these are the same people part of the conspiracy? I just don’t get it. So the entire government is out to make the U.S. a Communist country, or a Socialist Country. What is the end game of putting Obama in office, if the whole US is conspiring against it’s own citizens?
Those are all really good questions, Dee. I think people have complicated reasons for doing what they do, and most people are not trying to destroy this country. But we’ve got a teachable moment here and I think people do need to ask how it has come to this.
We have very, very few people who can actually initiate a legal investigation of crime in this country. The AG and US attorneys are all appointed by the president. The FBI is a big joke, as far as I can tell from my experiences. So, realistically speaking, the only non-political law enforcement we have is at the state or lower levels. Some state AG’s are appointed by the governor; some are elected. Either way, they are part of the political machine. Anybody below the political machine – the rank and file – don’t have the authority to investigate non-local issues. Those who have tried to do a background check on Obama have gotten into trouble for even trying. One got hit with claims that he’s anti-Black because of it.
I think most people just don’t want to make waves. They don’t want to be called crazy. They want to play tag with their kids, watch the movies, and keep their houses clean. That’s what we’re supposed to be able to do – because we hire people to enforce the laws and reporters are supposed to tell us the big stories that shake our world. My local sheriff couldn’t investigate Obama because he has to catch the local person who is faking drivers licenses so the illegal drug runners can set up their gangs here. Honest people are busy with life. The crooks are in positions of control where they can keep the lid on those who are willing and able to investigate.
The people who are calling Obama communist but refuse to address his documentation problem have multiple reasons. Don’t forget that Obama’s lawyers have threatened the FCC licenses of anybody who reports on this. That’s these people’s livelihoods. And the media is bent on ridiculing anybody who takes this seriously. I think of people like Breitbart and he’s starting a media company that stands to do so much good, but he’s got to earn his bona fides first. He has to gain the respect and trust of the common man. He can’t do that if he takes on this battle because this is the one battle that Obama ridicules – because it is the one that could fell him and everything he fights for. This is his vulnerability and he will never give it up without a huge fight. Breitbart and others don’t want to die on this hill. It’s not a popular hill and everybody throws rotten eggs at you if you’re on this hill.
So I think it’s a combination of busy people, uninformed people, people wanting to keep their jobs, people wanting to stay comfortable and enjoy a good reputation, people in power snuffing out controversy, and absolutely corrupt people in high places.
What I’m doing about it is trying to expose it so that people will be aware of it and it can cease to be the untouchable subject. I’m screaming as loud as I can that the emperor is naked. Hopefully if enough people are saying, “Yeah. He’s absolutely naked!” somebody will realize that the only people who are crazy are the ones who are too invested in the naked emperor to see the truth before their eyes.
There is a chance that what I’ve learned can be used in a lawsuit or that law enforcement at the state level can be convinced to begin an investigation. We’ll see.
But are you not going through the same system that you believe cannot be trusted in this matter? I believe that this whole movement is filled with inaccuracies and will be fruitless. I have done my research and I found out that Obama did release his Short form and that Hawaii does not issue a long form birth certificate. If wll I’m reading on this site is true then know one is safe from being included in this conspiracy. The whole entire governement is apart of it, including Palin, McCain, you, me, everyone. Tell me where can I go to get the truth? If I can not trust Factcheck.com, Wikipedia, Politifact.com then I can’t trust your site for info. What would you consider an unbias place to get info.
Your answer shows that you “get it”. This is so much bigger than just one politician; this issue is about who we can trust. You don’t know me from Adam; how can I earn your trust? The only way I know how is by posting the actual documentation I have. I would swear in court that everything I’ve posted here is genuine, with the only changes being to edit out names to protect my sources. I’ve even left in my typos which drive me nuts. And the communications I have on here are actually government records; they are required to be kept for at least 2 years according to Hawaii law. So people could request to see these communications themselves if they wanted.
The people at Factcheck have not only tolerated the fraud; they have actually participated on perpetrating the fraud. I honestly don’t know why the FBI and other law enforcement personnel haven’t knocked on their doors already.
I can’t really say who to trust. It’s hard for me to know who to trust too. I do believe that you are more likely to get the truth when there is legal accountability to do so. That’s why I trust the official communications (UIPA responses) from the DOH more than I trust Okubo’s off-the-cuff remarks to a reporter. Where Okubo is performing official duties where it is basically perjury if she directly lies, I’m more willing to believe it.
Hawaii says they don’t issue a long-form birth certificate. But if you look at their official Administrative Rules, they are required to do so if specifically asked. They are also required to release to ANYBODY a non-certified copy of an abbreviated BC (COLB). That’s the other thing I’ve posted here: the actual laws and rules. If people read those they will see how wrong the HDOH has been in much of what they’ve claimed.
The Hawaii DOH’s official communications reveal that what Obama posted cannot be genuine. If it was genuine it would have to have a note of the amendment and either the “Date filed” or certificate number would have to be different so it would fit with the Nordyke certificates.
I guess my counsel to you and everybody is to check out the facts and try to make sense of them. If somebody finds something that I’ve reported is inaccurate I will be very mad if they don’t tell me so. If somebody has a question I hope they will ask it because it will help us all get to the bottom of things.
I don’t think Palin and McCain are in on this. I think McCain wants to be a non-partisan nice guy who the media adores (and there are genuine questions about his own eligibility to be president as well). I think Palin has had to try to help McCain and/or feels some sense of indebtedness to him. Most people don’t want to get involved because, quite frankly, the judges have told us it’s none of our business and so it could well be a waste of time to do anything about it. Most government people don’t want to get involved because they’ve given up or else are a part of the machine. That doesn’t necessarily mean they know everything about the machine but they know enough to “cooperate and graduate”.
And a lot of it is just plain peer pressure. Junior high stuff. Nobody wants to be the nerd that everybody laughs at. Nobody wants to make public accusations against the teacher who gives out the grades. Some people don’t want to be cynical about the government (my own governor said he trusted that the people who were supposed to check eligibility did their jobs; never mind that it’s Nancy Pelosi and she knows Obama is a fraud because she had to sign a separate Certification of Nomination for Obama when Hawaii’s people refused to certify him as eligible). Or some people are so cynical about government that they’ve given up. The python is already around our necks; there’s no sense in fighting.
My sister at one point said that she couldn’t be happy if she believed what I do about the condition of government and of the politicians. Truth hurts; it would be much easier to just look the other direction and be happy, play with the kids while I can and don’t worry about tomorrow. But this may be the only window of opportunity to keep my kids’ world from falling apart. I just can’t see myself fiddling while Rome burns. I couldn’t look my kids in the eyes if I had the chance to hand them a free world and I chose to look the other way instead and pretend everything was OK.
Most communists think they’re doing good. They think that if everybody had the same situation in life we’d all be happy. That’s because they don’t understand human nature. If nothing we do makes any difference to the outcomes, human beings feel that their life is futile. That’s why communist places or places where a person is guaranteed a comfortable existence regardless of what they do are rife with coping behaviors like drugs, crime, promiscuity, and suicide. We have to believe that what we do matters.
Hard-core communists realize that there can never be a society where everyone is on an equal footing. Authority is a necessity. Their view that the powerful are looking out for the meek is a nice dream but it doesn’t line up with human nature. Power corrupts. That’s why in communist regimes you wind up with people who say they look out for the masses but end up exterminating large numbers of people who dissent. Bill Ayers and company talked about exterminating 50 million people who wouldn’t be “re-educated”. That’s the same Bill Ayers who has visited the White House quite a few times since a year ago. OUr founding fathers recognized that people need to be accountable. Every person who’s ever taken out a fitness club membership understands how important accountability is for getting results. We understand human nature. Well…. our government needs accountability. We’ve let them go too long without demanding that they do what they were given to do.
They’ve been able to get away with not doing their jobs because the media and politicians are co-dependent. The media people need to interview powerful people so they have to be nice to the politicians. The politicians need to get re-elected so they have to be nice to the media. It’s a nice, wonderful, cozy, co-dependent relationship. Who in the media is going to upset the balance? Who in the political world is going to upset the balance? And who besides them has the POWER to upset the balance? That’s what I’m up against. The conservative folks have to make a living too; they’re part of the balancing act as well. I’m a threat to them also – if I make people afraid of “conservatives” because I’m so tin-foil-ish.
We’ve got a society where truth doesn’t ever have to enter into the picture. It’s the logical culmination of the post-modern mentatlity that we create our own reality. What’s right for one person isn’t necessarily right for somebody else. Everything can be interpreted to fit whatever worldview the person favors. Everybody “spins” so choose your spin and do it with all your heart, since we can’t know truth even if it does exist. The post-modern worldview is very cynical; it’s like we’re all in a drug-induced hallucination of our own making and we exist side by side without being able to count on anything or anyone to be real. It’s crazy. It’s what I’d expect life to be like if it was run by people who had spend most of their youth high on drugs and having orgies. What I’d expect if those people inherited the universities, Hollywood, the science academies, and the White House.
Beautiful. You should post that in its entirety on FR.
Butterdezillion,
Bullseye. Spot on. An accurate diagnosis and a true indictment.
There is a light in that darkness. Christians, tens of millions of us, know absolute Truth… Jesus, the Way, the Truth, and the Life… the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth… and the Bible: God’s word is truth.
In the society of the fellowship of the saints, truth doesn’t have to enter into the picture, because the Truth is the picture: our eyes are fixed upon Him.
Knowing truth, handling truth on a regular basis, using truth as a sword and scalpel, speaking truth without fear or favor or cover-up or guile or guilt (having to beware of self-incrimination) – truth-believers and truth-tellers recognize deception like a $3 bill.
In spite of Mr. Obama’s denials to the contrary, and in spite of the unfaithfulness of American Christians (myself included), this IS a Christian nation. God’s Truth is marching on.
I have a hard enough time keeping facts straight as it is; I can’t imagine how it must be for people whose lies are constantly changing. There is a security in knowing that you don’t have to cover your behind because if you tell the truth your stories will always match what you said before, even if you can’t remember what you said before.
Living a lie would be way too complicated for me. Maybe I should thank God that I’m not sophisticated enough to manage duplicity – keeps me from being tempted by the prospect. lol
I do believe that Christians need to be salt and light if this nation is to endure. That means truthfulness in EVERYTHING. Satan attacks us in every realm he can get his hands on. There are a lot of different interpretations of Revelation, but I think everybody can agree that when it talks about the mark of the beast, it’s talking about Satan and his forces using financial things to threaten people into worshiping the beast. So it’s not just “non-earthly” things that Satan uses to try to destroy people and keep them from faith; it’s finances, corrupt government, anything he can get his filthy hands on.
My husband is a pastor, and we have had lots of discussions about whether it is a waste of precious time to confront the political lies and corruption, or whether we should concentrate only on the spiritual warfare. I keep coming back to WWII, though, and how the German people may have said that since the end of the world could be near and time was short, etc, they shouldn’t concern themselves with the smell of burning flesh from the ovens, or with trying to undo the “worldly” Nazi government. We don’t want to lose focus from the things of God, for sure, but by the same token, we do have a responsibility to pursue justice if we love the people who are being victimized by the injustice. The results are ultimately up to God. He could intervene. There will be a point at which He allows the world to suffer the natural consequences for its depravity, which will lead to the things foreseen in Revelation.
As I’ve said before, I don’t know what time it is on God’s clock. It could be midnight and all my efforts are wasted. It could be 6:00 and there are still hours of daylight left and if I put myself to bed now I’d fail to do the work I was given. So I just keep plugging on as if there is time left, and let God figure out what time it is. I’ll work on being salt and light in every area of life – including the political realm.
Butter,
There is one thing (actually more!) troubling me about the quest for the Birth Certificate.
Whereas I would trust an Hawaiian car title, or dog license from that era, the Birth Certificate process in Hawaii was wide open to abuse. Hundreds of people born in Japan, China, or the Phillipines had Hawaiian birth certificates, merely because a resident relative more or less requested one, citing “a home birth” with or without a “midwife as witness.” When the kid finally arrived in Hawaii, he was equipped with all the perks of citizenship, no matter what his or her actual provenance.
The Birth Certificates issued are valid Hawaiian Birth Certificates, to all intents and purposes, indistinguishable from those gotten under honest circumstances. i.e., real home births, etc.
What if at the end of this paper chase, there is a real Birth Certificate, not an honest onme to be sure, but real enough for any legal purpose? Then, the usurper will try and skate on th real issue of being the son of a foreigner, which is contrary to Article II, and of course, has nothing to do with the plae of birth.
Regards,
KB
At this point MT has asked so many people, so many times, in so many different ways, to clarify their answers, that there is no way they can claim what’s been said was just a misunderstanding. Anything Obama presents has to be amended. That, right off the bat, means it’s not prima facie evidence. If he produces something that’s not amended that should immediately set off an investigation of potential criminal wrongdoing by Hawaii officials – in the course of which the embedded data of the birth record would/should be subpoenaed.
The same kind of situation would occur if he came up with an amendment that doesn’t fit what the DOH has already said – especially on requests where the OIP has also confirmed the accuracy of the DOH’s responses. There is a very, very narrow set of options for what can be on any BC he produces – none of which qualify as prima facie evidence.
And even if the dual citizenship aspect would fall (I have a hard time trusting the integrity of our judicial system. The issue needs to be settled and I agree with your interpretation, but I wish the courts were more trustworthy), there is still the fact that Obama posted a forgery and had his lawyers refer the judge to it in a court of law. We’ve got two confirmations of that already and we’re darn close to a third with explosive implications regarding the DOH itself – which would also create a reason for any court of law to look closer at anything the HDOH produces, including a so-called “original birth certificate”.
There’s more, too, that I can’t reveal yet, but when the entire picture comes out people will realize that most the “credible people” we were told to believe were actually in on deliberate deception if not outright criminal activity.
Obama was only elected because people allowed themselves to be deceived. I’m sure it felt delicious for the majority to call other people “moonbats” while the majority rested comfortably on the security of knowing that (as my secretary of state informed me) “the media would never allow somebody to remain unvetted”. That false security is the only thing that can truly destroy this country. When America is vigilant we are safe. A big part of what I’m about, now that I’ve seen this stuff first-hand is to expose to the American public just how badly our foundations have been corrupted – government bureaucracy, media, and law enforcement – and just how vulnerable that leaves us.
The more people are aware of this condition, the less likely that Obama can get away with pulling a fast one on us.
And there remains a chance that somebody in Hawaii will realize that if they continue to cover for Obama their future will be destroyed. It’s him or them. Will they really be willing to sit in jail for a long time in order to protect a guy who has lied to us all? My prayer is that they will wake up before it’s too late, and come clean so that this country can be restored to the rule of law.
I don’t think there is anyone right now who is doing more harm to the conservative movement than you. You have no facts, whoever you are.
Your logic is as silly as your nom de plume.
Stop the nonsense!
My documentation speaks for itself.
If a “conservative” is embarrassed by someone insisting on the importance of the rule of law, then they are probably just as able to stab me in the back in some backroom deal as somebody who is liberal. This shouldn’t be a liberal v conservative issue. This is the rule of law we’re talking about here. If we can’t bring to light the lawlessness then we’ve already signed over the country to certain destruction.
If my unwillingness to do that troubles you, I’m sorry for what you stand (or fall) for.
By now, there is not one Republican elected official who truly believes that BHO, Jr. is a “Natural Born Citizen.”
The unspoken agreement is to forget about the issue as the GOP attempts to hobble the de facto POTUS in 2011, and 2012. The fact that they have neither plan, program, leader, nor clue as to how to do this is a problem!
However, Butter, I do find it strange that not one attorney, or paralegal, in Hawaii is available to help you file a lawsuit in the appropriate court, demanding release of the documents in question, as per statute.
You file it to appear in “propria persona” as the self-representing plaintiff. Quite legal and appropriate.
Regards,
KB
The trouble with their approach is that it totally blows off the criminal and law enforcement aspect of this. At this point I don’t really even care a whole lot what happens with Obama personally. What I want is to get my country back – a place where government, media, and law enforcement are generally at least a little bit truthful and the rule of law is at least given good lip service. We’re not even giving LIP SERVICE about following the rule of law any more. Arizona is trying to pass a law that would allow the US Constitution to actually be followed, and it’s a major scandal in the eyes of the media.
This is sheer lunacy. No civilization can survive without the rule of law. If conservatives don’t see that, we have trouble. Simply working on laws makes no difference if it is a wide-open scandal for anybody to suggest that we actually FOLLOW the laws we have.
There is somebody who could represent us in a lawsuit to get the documents we’re authorized to receive. The problem is money and trying to find a judge in Hawaii that isn’t corrupt. It’s very sad to say, but the only 3 officials from Hawaii that have shown any integrity at all are Linden Joesting, the member of the HI Senate who voted against the “vexatious requestor” bill, and whoever it was who forced the HDOH to finally post their administrative rules as required by law (I don’t know who that was; I suspect it might have been lt gov Duke Aiona). The others have all either participated in the criminal actions or winked at them.
So it’s sort of like asking the Chicago mafia to try a case regarding Al Capone. Very, very sad.
80% of Americans don’t trust this government, and from what I’ve seen they are wise.
Butter,
as you know, I am not generally active in the effort to make the Birth Certificate the main event in the effort to affirm BHO, Jr.’s ineligibility.
However, I do support those who do. I liken it to raids on an enemy’s base, while the main column prepares an all-out attack …. in this case ..The Writs of Quo Warranto.
If those work, Obama himself will request the BC in an effort to prove “Native Birth Citizenship,” because his “legal hook” is to equate “Native Born” with “Natural Born.” So far, he has proven neither, because he hasn’t had to.
Regards,
KB
I appreciate that, Kenny. Coming from you it means a lot.
This particular bent isn’t everybody’s bag, and that’s fine. Everybody needs to contribute wherever they are best able. The more we can avoid “friendly fire”, the better.
I am praying with all my heart that the Quo Warranto cases are successful.
Just one other thing. I’ve got a bit of a dilemma because I’m fighting off pneumonia. Because I’m diabetic my doctor said I need to rest and be on a high-powered antibiotic or I’ll probably end up in the hospital. But right now there is a lot of action about the “birther” issue – so many inaccurate reports that need to be corrected. We’re making headway with the general public, I believe, but that will only continue if the lies are confronted as they happen, which is right now.
I slept most of the morning but I’m still feeling crappy. Somebody had asked if they can C&P from here. I can’t find where that question was to respond to it, but everybody is welcomed and encouraged to use anything you find helpful from here, as long as it remains accurate. I have a standing invitation to anybody from the media to use any and all of what is posted here as long as they keep their report accurate. I’m one small voice but if we can use a megaphone to get this information into the public eye it would be FANTASTIC!
Word of warning …
your friend Little Jeremiah from Freerepublic is NOT what she says she is.
You and others researching Barak Obama’s birth/ citizenship status should be careful what information (especially personal information) you share with her.
She has never asked for any personal information and I have no reason to doubt her. My eyes are always open but to this point I have seen no reason not to trust her.
Butter,
Interesting convo with Joseph Farah on G. Gordon tóther day.
The man mystifies me. Why he isn’t, as the chief Birther scribe, bankrolling a legal effort in HI to enforce UIPA is beyond me!
About a tenth of what those killer billboards cost would cover it.
Regards,
FF
Ya got me there. Between you, me and the bedpost, Kenny, there’s a lot that doesn’t add up with the visible figures in this issue.
What I can tell you is that right now the HDOH isn’t even pretending to answer requests as required by law. They are just blatantly, flat-out refusing everything. Simple stuff like index data. Nothing. Until somebody sues them and finds an honest judge – which could require going beyond the Hawaii courts – they will not even pretend to follow the law. A sad, sad state of affairs.
First time visitor. Great work. Saw your comments at Hillbuzz. I’ve bookmarked you.
Thank you, and welcome! The more we can get the discussion focused on facts, the better off the country will be. I’ve tried posting some of the content from here on bigger blogs but places like Fox, Slate, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, etc just won’t let me post – or anybody who posts this content. It’s being censored, which tells me that they know it’s here and they don’t want anybody to know ithis information If we’re going to get the word out it’s going to have to happen in spite of all the major media outlets.
So spread it around, and if there’s anything I can do or any questions or concerns you’d like me to address just let me know. I love this country and the people who really understand what precious gifts the rule of law and freedom are. We have so much that’s worth fighting for. It’s good to stand together. =)
The mask slips now and then. But two huge media coverups help save him. One is his interview with Nicholas Kristoff of the NY Times. “Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” I’d love to hear that tape.
http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
The other coverup was the LA Times suppression of a tape involving Obama and Rashid Khalidi. http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/29/nation/na-video29
The media protected him while they scoured Sarah Palin’s garbage looking for dirt on her. It was a despicable display of unprofessional conduct. And as a former member of the Washington Press corps, I’m ashamed of my former colleagues. Instead of watchdogs, they’re simply lapdogs. Pathetic.
“But HRS 338-18(a) allows state laws and DOH rules to govern the disclosure of vital records, and the current rules -Chapter 8b, 2.5(A)(1)(f) -would allow any election officer transacting the placement of Obama’s name on the ballot to receive a certified copy.”
The Hawaii DOH always likes to quote section 338 when denying a request for the BC ( only those with a tangible interest may receive a certified copy ). As you point out, they ignore one part of the section.
§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.
– –> or by rules adopted by the department of health.<—-
Under those rules
8b 2.5(B)(2)
– A non certified copy containing only such information as is listed in accordance with section 2.2 may be issued to any person or organization requesting it.
The restrictions under section 2,.2 are :
Section 2.2
List of Events:
A) No address shall be included in such lists unless approval is given by the registrants in cases of marriage license applications and marriage certificates and by one of the parents in the case of births
B) Any report or information which in the judgment of the Director of Health may harm the character or reputation of a person involved shall be omitted from the lists
C) No illegitimate birth shall be included in any list prepared under this section.
I don't know if anyone has ever requested a non-certified copy under these rules. If they have and it was rejected, it could only be under B or C.
What would someone ask for in the BC -names of parents, doctors ., hospital, date of birth, and when the BC was filed.
Being rejected under B, – What could possibly be in those fields that would "harm the character or reputation of a person involved shall be omitted from the lists"
Having a delayed filing showing he wasn't born in the US, would certainly harm his reputation and character because it would show him for the liar he is.
Being rejected under C would be self explanatory
I’ve asked for non-certified abbreviated certificates of birth, marriage, and death, and they won’t give out anything. Not because the rules forbid certain disclosures, but because they say that law trumps rules. I’ve pointed out that HRS 338-18(a) nowhere forbids disclosures which are authorized by the rules so there is no conflict between 338-18 and the Administrative Rules. At that point they just went into an infinite loop of “We already answered your request.” When I appealed their decision, Joesting basically said that the HDOH gets to decide what the law means. The Ombudsman said it was not unreasonable for the HDOH to deny me the record because the rules say they “may” issue the certificate, not that they MUST. When I pointed out that UIPA requires disclosure of anything that is not forbidden to be disclosed, the Ombudsman ignored my e-mail.
Basically the stance of everybody in the Hawaii government is, “If you don’t like our answer, sue us.” They know there’s not a judge in Hawaii that will actually serve justice.
That’s why this is really about the corruption and lawlessness within government, media, and law enforcement. It can be clear to everybody what the law says, but if there’s nobody in a position of power to enforce the law, it doesn’t exist in all practicality. That is true from the supreme law of the land (Constitution) right down to the smallest administrative rule.
Did you notice that Elena Kagan said that books could be banned because nobody would enforce the ban anyway? That’s the kind of mindset we’re dealing with. It’s total lawlessness – a cavalier attitude that it doesn’t matter what laws we make because we’re only going to enforce what we want to enforce anyway. I’ve been trying to expose that attitude so people could understand that as long as the enforcers are lawless it really doesn’t make any difference what laws get passed – doesn’t matter if we work our butts off to get the right people elected and get them to pass the right laws. In the end, the people who do the enforcing will ignore everything except what suits their agenda anyway.
And Elena Kagan came right out and said it – the attitude of lawlessness among every branch of government as the communists infiltrate every level of government, media, and law enforcement. She said it doesn’t matter what laws get passed because they won’t be enforced anyway. That, right there, should be broadcast loud and clear all over – because it summarizes the oil spill, immigration, healthcare reform, the takeover of the banking industry, the takeover of GM, the stealing of secured Chrysler stockholders’ assets so they could be given to the unions, the refusal to prosecute the New Black Panthers for voter intimidation, the firing of Gerald Walpin and other inspectors general…. etc (On my About page I link to 3 pages’ worth of lawless acts done by Obama’s administration just within the first 6 months he was in office. I gave up on even trying to keep up after that.)
People really, really need to understand who we’re dealing with and why the issue of lawlessness and the inability of the public to hold government, media, and law enforcement accountable to the law are the most basic, critical issues we face today. Even Iran has “free elections”. It is not our electoral process that makes us free. It is an honest law enforcement system which makes us free. And right now we don’t have it. Period. That’s why nothing feels right now – because nothing is impossible to those who have the lawlessness to try anything they want and handcuff anybody from being able to stop them. It doesn’t feel like America because it ISN’T America. The whole concept of the rule of law is absent.
C&P&Link
Yeah, it is the same with the Social Security Admin. They fall behind the “privacy” issue mo to release records. I have authored a letter that would require them to confirm the record without violating any of the privacy issues. Unfortunately, I can’t send it since I live outside the US and they would just ignore it. Their ultimate response will probably be “sue us” also. ( you only have the right of one appeal – that is why in my letter I forestall any of their legal replies to prevent their stalling tactic) .It would be interesting to see what their reply would be though. If denied it would show they are covering up for him. If you like, I could send it to you. It may give you some ideas . Just send me an email where I can contact you ( you can get my email from the post )
It’s sad to say, but probably the surest way for me to receive it would be if you C&P’ed it onto a post here with a note that you want it kept private and then I won’t approve it to be posted publicly. I’d love to see what you’ve got. The more we can combine our thoughts and efforts, the better.
Sore losers. I’m amazed the extent that people who did not want Obama for president will go to refute his legitimacy. Your efforts will amount to naught and you will be left with the same result: an effective, precedent setting black president who has accomplished more in his first year than most modern holders of that office. I guess maybe focusing all your attention on irrelevant palaver of birth records can allow you to turn your attention away from his success. Grow up, be a good loser, sit back, have a beer and plan for the next shot at the white house.
Unbelievable that someone can look at an article which documents multiple crimes and ignore all the documentation to just say that the messenger is a “sore loser”.
I’m sorry Rusty. If the rule of law means that little to you, I can’t help you.
Your article doesn’t document multiple crimes, you nut!! It’s just a lot of bs speculation and guessing. Three sentences later, you have convinced yourself that it’s all true. I want to be a fly on your living room wall when President Obama is re-elected in 2012. I would love to see that epic meltdown!!!!!!!
One does not have to go any further than Mr. Obama to refute his legitimacy. He has stipulated that he was born under British jurisdiction because of his father. Natural born citizenship requires two citizen parents and birth in the country. We know Obama does not meet the parent test because of his own testimony. In spite of all you may have read or heard, he has not demonstrated that he was born in the country either.
The problem is we have a number of people who are happy to ignore the constitution and sacrifice the future of our country for their own naive and selfish purposes. This is not a new phenomenon. In the last 100 years Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Castro, Chavez, Mao, and Mussolini all used such useful idiots to stay in power and murder millions.
Did you know that Obama’s Weathermen friends thought that 50 million + US citizens (resistant to “reprogramming”) might have to be “sacrificed” to reach their goals – and they were OK with this? Some of his other friends think it’s OK to kill all of the white folks. Some of his Kenyan friends/relatives living in Africa think it’s OK to kill all of the “wrong kind” of black folks there. I wonder if any of these groups of inconvenient or undesirable people would include anyone you care about.
Foreign influence has lead to the fall of many nations. The natural born citizen requirement was put in for national security reasons. It is not optional. What makes Obama so important to you that you are willing to sacrifice our national security for him? If Obama is not a threat, then what about the next president or the one after that?
The bottom line is you do not have the right to a president who does not meet the requirements regardless of how the sun glints off his pecs or how he might send a chill up your leg or whether he’s effective or not.
All of us have a right to legal representation and honest government. We are just demanding it.
Well said.
Nine months later, has anything come of these red flags?
Ask me on November 3rd.
I do hope you’re not depending upon “Remember in November” to end the usurpation. Stalin chuckles from beyond the grave, “Who counts the votes? Diebold?”
I’m sure you are aware of New York City disenfranchising ~350,000 military personnel by not mailing their absentee ballots on Sept. 18, 2010… still not mailed as of Oct. 13.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/10/exclusive-new-york-violating-act/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/11/exclusive-feds-sue-new-york-board-military-voting-violations-state-official/
Then there are also Erie, Niagara, Putnam, and Westchester counties in New York; St. Clair and possibly Cook counties in Illinois; Maryland, Wisconsin, Colorado, Hawaii, and Guam. But, not to worry, we still have a little over two weeks for those absentee ballots to get to remotes in the Hindu Kush and back to the States.
Three New Black Panther Party leader/thugs in Philadelphia were convicted of obstructing or threatening would-be voters in 2008 who did not match the Obama profile. Then, in May of 2010, Asst. AG Thomas J. Perrelli, representing the Holder DOJ, dismissed the charges – no, dismissed the convictions. I didn’t know any AG could do that, even if it were legal. But it absolutely gives the green light to voter intimidation on Nov. 2nd.
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/30/who-let-the-new-black-panther-party-thugs-off/
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/22/document-drop-doj-still-obstructing-justice-in-black-panther-case/
How much has Mr. Obama given by executive appropriation to community organizers for get-out-the-vote efforts? Any at all would be a clear violation of the U.S. Constitution, Art. I, § 9, ¶ 7(a): “No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law…” If Mr. Obama’s Executive Orders are now reckoned as law, he should be classified as part of the legislature, the law-making branch of government, and removed from the law-breaking branch of government… I mean, the law-enforcing branch of government.
Do the names SEIU and ACORN mean anything to you? NY Eastern Dist. Judge Nina Gershon overrode Congress on behalf of ACORN to make sure that no free and fair election upsets the Communist/Is|amist process of taking down the United States. As much damage as ACORN did in 2008, with a GWB DOJ and Michael Mukasey as the AG, imagine what ACORN could do with a Congressional appropriation, backed by AG Eric Holder and the Obama usurpation DOJ!
(But on Aug. 13, 2010, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit reinstated Congress’ ban on appropriations for ACORN, at least under that name.)
http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decisions/isysquery/a4dac58b-dd12-4a04-a16e-572c2dd2b017/4/doc/09-5172-cv_opn.pdf#xml=http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decisions/isysquery/a4dac58b-dd12-4a04-a16e-572c2dd2b017/4/hilite/
Inspector General Gerald Walpin fired?
U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald relocated away from DC and sent to Antarctica – or was it Chicago (or is there a difference)?
Atty. Dr. Orly Taitz sanctioned $20,000 for bringing a legitimate lawsuit before U.S. District Judge Clay Land?
Quarles Harris shot in the back of the head after attempting to blow the whistle on two contract employees from The Analysis Corp. for cauterizing Mr. Obama’s passport file in the State Dept. computer database?
I’m sure you can name many more “Untouchables” in the war on corruption that have been removed from the action, by firing or moving or fining or simply blowing off the back of their heads. No arrests have followed. No questions.
Need I continue with recollections of $200 million in campaign contributions – mostly in untraceable gift cards – that came in from unnamed sources, following Col. Muammar Qaddafi’s appeal in Arabic on Al Jazeera TV for funds to be sent to Campaign Obama?
There are too many crooks and not enough cops to expect anything less than an authentic 7th century raid on the government on Nov. 2, followed by outright overthrow of the Constitution by 2012. Throughout the bible, there were but two choices for a nation in decline: revival… or removal.
Sincerely in Christ,
MinutemanCDC_SC
2 Chronicles 7:13-14
I hear what you’re saying, and time will tell. I’m not counting on the election to fix everything.
My fear is that the reason Pelosi and Reid were able to get the dems to fall on their swords for the communist agenda is because they assured everyone that they would be protected from any fallout with the voters – either by rampant fraud or by an “October surprise” such as Soros making a run on the bank similar to September of 2008.
If they’re planning on stealing the election they’d have to pretend that the polls are tightening, which was the game plan that Odinga used in Kenya. Get some corrupt pollsters to engineer some polls that would make it seem like Odinga would win, and then the corruption could carry the day and the “polls” would support the results. That’s why I’ve been watching with interest what the pollsters are saying. Obama has been calling on Blacks to get out and vote for “him” (for dems), given that they are one of the few demographics (Muslims being the other group) that still has a high approval rate for Obama. If they’re going to steal the election they’ll need a high turnout of Blacks in order to argue that the polls just didn’t factor in the enthusiasm in that demographic, because as it stands the polls would not support that kind of theft of the election.
So I’m watching closely. Soros saying he can’t win the election for the dems could be a signal that the electoral route won’t work and the October Surprise is the route they’ll have to take. Soros has been working to start a currency war, if I understand correctly, and that could give cover for something underhanded by him at “just the right time”. I hope this won’t happen, but it won’t surprise me if it does. I put nothing past these people.
Of course, one of the reasons to even mention this is so Soros will know that if it happens, we will all know why and by whom – and he will have an ANGRY electorate on his hands. The only way another manufactured economic crisis will favor the dems at all – after the public has seen what they did to us the last time around – is if it totally destroys the American economy and results in martial law to suspend the elections altogether.
So I guess we’ll see. Interesting times, for sure.
No………
Hey Butter,
I finally decided to roll this out – short vid of woman ordering long form BC in HONOLULU DOH, mid July 2010.
Vid is near bottom of the post:
Though you might be interested.
I saw that. When that was reported in the interview at the P&E I thought, “Gosh, it would have been great if that had been caught on video!” Super, fantastic job that it actually was! Big-time kudos to you guys!
This is going to blow up in the HDOH’s face, big-time.
As you always say, let’s roll.
We have a few interesting things captured. “Investigator” did some good work as it can be unnerving to go round with a recording device. I was holding my breath half of the time that she was there.
With the obots still out there insisting that a long form can not be had “even by the POTUS” because J. O. from the comm. office said so in a Star Bulletin article, I decided it was time to show them they are wrong, and that she flat out lied.
I have always felt that the “little things” like this are the things to get proof of so that we can chip away at the nonsensical notion that obama did all that he could do to prove to the people that elected him (NOT ME) that he was providing all that he could to prove his birth place.
We all know it was bullshit, but without video proof, the blind followers of obama will never own up that they are wrong on this point.
Exactly.
Anybody with a brain in their head has to look at the lies these people have been sayng on everything including the kitchen sink, and say there has to be an investigation. There is no way we can trust what these people say; they’ve documentably lied WAY too many times for us to give them any credibility whatsoever.
And anybody who thinks a government with no credibility is tolerable has no clue about what has made America any different than Mexico or Iran.
It is treason plain and simple…. Needs to be dealt with NOW>>>
Here’s what it seems might have happened for Fukino to change her ambiguous & deliberately misleading statement from ‘I have seen the vital records’ to ‘have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record”
Hawaiian Revised Statutes.
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
Yes I know it was enacted in 1982.
Consider that Obama was not issued a Hawaiian BC from day one, granny may have lodged her statement claiming home birth in Hawaii and it got filed, and subsequently a newspaper listing entry was generated.
So it was ‘filed’, but not ‘approved’, waiting some form of verification that quite possibly was not forth-coming.
Later down the track Obama finds a need to have some form of evidence of Hawaiian birth, so he gets issued the COLB still marked as ‘filed’ but still no ‘approved’, this suffices for the time being, hence Fukino’s ambiguous first statement ‘vital records’ and NOT ‘birth certificate’ at THAT TIME.
With the presidential election looming, Obama goes to Hawaii and applies for a birth certificate to be issued under 338-17.8
All he needs to ‘prove’ is that ‘that the legal parents’ ‘had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child’.
So granny signs an affidavit attesting to Obama’s parents’ residency requirements & granny had CONNECTIONS from way back.
Granny as the astute banker, etc that she was, had a high degree of credibility & trustworthiness in Hawaii.
HDoH accepts granny’s affidavit as ‘good enough for me’, so Obama gets his application in the system for issuance of a ‘real’ BC, hence Fukino came out with her follow-up statement where she could safely say ‘birth certificate on file’
So the ‘birth certificate’ may have been issued on the sole affidavit of granny, and Obama may very well have been born ‘out of state’, and to a British subject to boot.
It is also highly possible that Obama refuses to produce this BC for scrutiny, because it will have notations revealing the basis of it’s issue.
I think you’re on the right track as far as why Obama wants to hide his records – because they would show exactly how he got them.
The hard part we deal with is the obfuscation of the HDOH. Leo Donofrio requested documents in existence before Aug 9, 1961 which caused the HDOH to say on the online COLB that the “date filed” was Aug 8, 1961. First they gave a response saying there were no records responsive to his request and then when he pushed to make their answer totally loophole-proof they responded with a statement that seemed to deny the records but could have been a Glomarized response (in which case it was a refusal to acknowledge whether or not the requested record existed).
I have asked the OIP to give me input on what kinds of statements other than the direct “the records, if any, are not discloseable” would be considered Glomarized responses, and they wouldn’t give any feedback unless I told them exactly what instance was in question. IOW, there is no way a person can know what the words mean unless somebody at the OIP looks at the particular case and decides what those words are supposed to mean.
The birth announcements didn’t have to come from the Vital Records Office and they are forgeries anyway so the birth announcements don’t tell us anything about when anything was filed on Obama’s birth. Hopefully there will be some stuff coming out soon on the birth announcements – just the start of the story. But people need to know that the news people and the HDOH all lied to us about those announcements having to come from the Vital Records Office. And it looks very much like somebody at the Advertiser office crafted a forged paper copy of the announcements and gave it to the Hawaii State Library librarian with instructions to pass it off as if it came from the HSL microfilms when in reality it could not have come from there. It’s a big story, and hopefully it will be coming out into the wider public soon. I’ve got a post about it at https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/revised-article/
So we don’t know when (or actually, considering Abercrombie’s statements, even WHETHER) any birth information on Obama was filed. I made a request for Obama’s delayed birth certificate and was told there were no records responsive to my request.
Of course I also asked for a non-certified copy of an abbreviated BC for somebody listed right there on their birth index and they also said there were no records responsive to my request, so who knows at any given time whether they are lying or not? And there lies the rub. It’s pretty much useless for us to try to figure out what happened or what records they’ve got on the basis of the rules/laws or anything the HDOH has said, because they don’t follow rules/laws in Hawaii and they lie at will.
And that is why the only real solution to all of this is a legal investigation, complete with depositions and subpoena of all the embedded transaction logs and detailed vital records history. Basically, the HDOH has lied and broken rules/laws so often that they only way we can know the truth is to totally audit all the involved records.
Regarding Fukino’s statements, her first one was just her verifying that they have Obama’s “original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures”. The later statement was that she had personally seen the “vital records verifying that Obama was born in Hawaii”. Neither statement said they had LEGALLY VALID records for him or what qualified as an “original birth certificate”, and HDOH communications that confirmed a 2006 amendment showed that whatever they’ve got for Obama is NOT legally valid.
Tim Adams filed an affidavit saying that while he worked at the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division he was told by his supervisors that the State government had tried to get birth records for Obama from Kapiolani and Queens Hospitals and there wasn’t anything there, that he was told everybody was aware that HI has no long-form BC for Obama, and that it became apparent that Gov Lingle, Fukino, and others were engaging in a disinformation campaign for political reasons.
And everything I’ve documented here pretty much supports what he said. The only thing we really KNOW is that they have broken laws and lied on a regular basis. They could have in the State Archive a kleenex signed in 2008 that says, “I was born in Hawaii. Barack Hussein Obama II” for all we know – and it would totally fit everything the HDOH has said and done AND what both Gov Abercrombie and Tim Adams have said as well.
Your theory is as plausible as any. The trouble is that when government provably lies and breaks laws, ANY theory could be true. ANYTHING is possible to government bureaucrats who don’t have to follow any rules or laws and can lie about anything.
That fact should scare the living crap out of everybody, because if that is what government bureaucrats have the ability to do with impunity, then any talk of the rule of law and of justice in this country is all a hopeless pipe-dream. When people say the eligibility issue doesn’t matter or that they are bored with this issue that has been proven (blah, blah, blah)…. what they are really saying is that this nation doesn’t need no stinkin’ rule of law.
Thank you for the great information youve shared. Its horrifying to see that the rule of law just doesnt seem to matter much to those powers that be anymore. Our constitution has been twisted and retwisted by interpretation to be more of an international treaty to give everyone rights but the American people. Ive joined a few groups that started out discussing the issue of Obammas eligibility. Eventually someone comes in and meticulously argues that we have to drop the issue because there are more important things to worry about. I say BS!!! The constitution is important….the most important thing next to Gods word.
Anybody who considers the rule of law insignificant is dangerous.
My guess is that those people are either Obots in disguise, or else they don’t fully grasp the level of lawlessness we’re talking about.
See, if you believe that something BIG is up you’re a “ridiculous conspiracy theorist”, and if what you claim is NOT something conspiracy-sized, then it’s “not important enough”. Do you see how they manipulate the definitions so they can dismiss EVERYTHING?
It’s bizarre. We’ve got people like Bill O’Reilly saying the issue isn’t important enough. And we’ve got liberal journalists saying to Jeff Kuhner that nobody will touch it because they know it could cause huge, huge turmoil; IOW, it is TOO important to deal with. Both sides get it wrong. It is too important to ignore. The normal people understand that; everybody else is just using whichever excuse works for them.
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